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Post by Fryguy64 on Jun 22, 2010 15:42:14 GMT -5
It's been so long since I last went to DKU, back when they were coming up with all sorts of theories as to why Banjo-Kazooie was in the DK Universe, but anything from the classic arcade Donkey Kong games was shit and should be ignored... I don't think it's necessarily fair of me to continue ragging on them.
Unless they continue to subscribe to those views.
I can say, with absolute certainty, that had this game been announced back then then DKU would have hated it. It doesn't have Kremlings, it looks too much like Jungle Beat, etc.
However, I think now that the DKC series has been dead for about 10 years circa Rare's departure, maybe they're more open to the idea that this game might be a little different, but it might also be a little more DKC in a world devoid of it.
Regardless, I have never in my life heard the argument that "people boycott 3D Mario". That article is based on nothing but a personal bitching session. Super Mario Galaxy did really well and SMG2 is also going to do really well... they just didn't do quite as well as NSMBWii, which did so insanely well that it caused a hernia.
Some people really need to remove their heads from their bottoms and actually look at how things really are.
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Post by cheatmaster30 on Jun 22, 2010 16:03:06 GMT -5
It's been so long since I last went to DKU, back when they were coming up with all sorts of theories as to why Banjo-Kazooie was in the DK Universe, but anything from the classic arcade Donkey Kong games was shit and should be ignored... I don't think it's necessarily fair of me to continue ragging on them. Unless they continue to subscribe to those views. I can say, with absolute certainty, that had this game been announced back then then DKU would have hated it. It doesn't have Kremlings, it looks too much like Jungle Beat, etc. However, I think now that the DKC series has been dead for about 10 years circa Rare's departure, maybe they're more open to the idea that this game might be a little different, but it might also be a little more DKC in a world devoid of it. Regardless, I have never in my life heard the argument that "people boycott 3D Mario". That article is based on nothing but a personal bitching session. Super Mario Galaxy did really well and SMG2 is also going to do really well... they just didn't do quite as well as NSMBWii, which did so insanely well that it caused a hernia. Some people really need to remove their heads from their bottoms and actually look at how things really are. Meh, most of the hatred isn't from DKU or even connected to it. I don't agree with their theories, but they seem to really, really like Donkey Kong Country Returns. No, the real war zone is over at GameFAQs. Where people are literally posting Retro's phone number and saying how they will or won't buy the game solely based on the Kremlings being in. Me personally? I practically know the other Kongs, animal buddies and fancy map screen will be in, so I'm fairly relaxed about it. The former and latter is basically confirmed directly by interviews and web articles from reliable sources, and the animal buddies are likely because even Jungle Beat and Barrel Blast had them in some way (and yes, I do mean Barrel Blast the racing game). On the subject of the DKU and arcade game resentment, it's likely because having them as DKU would basically open up the Mario series, and then basically every other game series in existance, aka: Mario Wario Land WarioWare Yoshi's Island Smash Bros Legend of Zelda (cameos) Metroid (cameos) Excitebike Star Fox F-Zero etc to the point they'd be able to theoretically call Starfy DKU with enough thought. As for the linked article... I have no affiliation with the author. The author is fairly well known online for being extremely controversial to the point of causing long, long flame wars on various forums like Neogaf, although he did technically figure out Nintendo's strategy when people were saying it was a 'casual gamer' boom or some rubbish like that and assuming the PS3/360 will eventually win when the 'hype' dies down. But that's not related to the topic. |
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Post by kirbychu on Jun 22, 2010 16:19:47 GMT -5
And a lot more useful. Trust me, I've tried this with somebody (I was the Co-Star) and we've been coming through a lot easier than with just one player. I don't need to trust you. I have tried it, from both sides. When I was Mario the game became far too easy, when I was the Luma I was incredibly bored, and we had a lot of arguments about which way the camera should be facing.  On the subject of the DKU and arcade game resentment, it's likely because having them as DKU would basically open up the Mario series, and then basically every other game series in existance So wait, it's okay for Banjo-Kazooie, Conker and Star Fox to take place in the same universe as Donkey Kong, but not Mario? That is some seriously disturbing logic. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jun 22, 2010 18:45:28 GMT -5
I can think of why THEORETICALLY, but it's still crap.
Basically: You can tie anything to Mario in some way or another. Basically, you put Mario in the universe, then you must put Wario and Yoshi in there, too. They tied series together with cameos, so any series to have a character in one of these games is also tied to DK, for example, Zelda and Metroid. It works the other way, so Wario's cameo in Stafy means Stafy's in DK's world. Samus appeared in Kirby? Well, now Kirby's DKU. And these cameos continue on for ages until eventually, all of Nintendo's library is DKU. Not to mention Rareware's end. They'd tied Mr. Pants to DK already. Now anything with Mr. Pants in it is DKU, including, possibly, Jet Force Gemini (a cheat turns standard blue ants without shields into Mr. Pants, and you can blow 'em all up in gooey explosions.) And as you push on down the line, you eventually would have to stop. DK Vine did stop, but it's a bit ugly, really: They stopped by pretty much only counting games with furries and animals as DKU. Note, by the way, use of the phrase "Pretty much."
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Post by kirbychu on Jun 22, 2010 19:13:42 GMT -5
The Mario series is still a stronger link to the DK universe than the Star Fox one. A triceratops called Tricky? Yeah, there couldn't be more than one of those in the entire universe. Who cares that they're different colours. Must be the same guy.
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Post by Koopaul on Jun 22, 2010 19:22:16 GMT -5
Even THEY admit the DKU has gone out of hand. In the past it was merely to unite DK, Banjo, and Conker through their connective source Diddy Kong Racing. Which is in fact... reasonable.
But there is a big difference between Jungle Beat and Returns.
-Returns has Diddy Kong, Barrels, Barrel Cannons, KONG letters, Banana Coins, Balloon Lives, Mine Carts, and much much much more.
-Jungle Beat did not.
The DKU had no reason to complain, they thought it was a miracle.
No one should be complaining about this game.
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Post by cheatmaster30 on Jun 22, 2010 20:30:32 GMT -5
So, anyone else hoping for bramble levels in this game? Haven't seen those much since Donkey Kong Country 2.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Jun 22, 2010 21:12:45 GMT -5
So, anyone else hoping for bramble levels in this game? Haven't seen those much since Donkey Kong Country 2. I loved those... They're like synonymous with the challenge in that game's stages. But you know, I'd prefer this game being a "Donkey Kong Country 4" than a compilation of old level archetypes and songs. |
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Post by Manspeed on Jun 22, 2010 21:24:56 GMT -5
Well, we have a bunch of new enemies and mechanics, like Diddy's jetpack, so it's clear they're building on the original trilogy rather than retreading it.
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Jun 23, 2010 2:24:22 GMT -5
As iffy as the animal helpers are this time around, a new one that I'd like to see would be a scorpion.
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Post by The Qu on Jun 23, 2010 2:47:16 GMT -5
Wait, we've seen animal buddies so far? Where?
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Jun 23, 2010 2:50:41 GMT -5
No. I said that they're quite uncertain for now.
But if it was possible this time...
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Post by The Qu on Jun 23, 2010 3:11:32 GMT -5
Ooooh. I misread that as you saying they were iffy in the "I don't like them" sense.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Jun 23, 2010 9:57:22 GMT -5
Donkey Kong is already Diddy Kong's animal buddy. Didn't you notice Diddy is riding him?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2010 0:32:45 GMT -5
Didn't you notice Diddy is riding him?  Establishing canon via cameos can be a funny thing. For shits and giggles, let's start with Donkey Kong. We know the Mario universe is closely entwined with the DK universe, so naturally you've got Wario and Yoshi in there, too. Wario cameoed in a Starfy game, so let's bring Legend of Starfy into the mix. Diddy Kong Racing had Conker and Banjo in them, so they're part of the DK canon, and there are triceratposes named Tricky in both SFAdv and DKR, so you bring Star Fox into the mix. What else has cameoed in Star Fox? Well, there are a ton of F-Zero references, but in Star Fox Command, one of Emperor Anglar's henchmen is Octoman, who is directly from F-Zero, so F-Zero is DK canon too. Samus and Link both appeared in Super Mario RPG, so might as well make Metroid and Legend of Zelda part of the whole deal, and by now it's really convoluted - but we're not done yet. In Donkey Kong Country, there was a screen (victory screen? I forget) where you could see Sonic the Hedgehog's shoes and Earthworm Jim's gun in a trash can, so those two franchises are also part of DK canon. Sonic has been a part of all sorts of franchise-crossovers, including the more recent Sega Superstars Tennis and Sonic Toot Toot Racing. The latter is especially reinforced by the presence of Banjo and Kazooie on the XBox 360 version, so you're dragging in a TON of Sega franchises. Jet Set Radio, Space Channel 5, Shenmue, NiGHTS into Dreams, Crazy Taxi, Alex Kidd, Golden Axe, Phantasy Star, Bonanza Bros...it goes nuts. I know you're thinking things are getting out of hand, but stay with me here because we're nowhere near done.  To make things even more complex, Link (who we have now established is part of DK's canon) cameoed in Soul Calibur 2, so you drag that into the mix. Want to know who else cameoed in that game? Heihachi from Tekken, and Spawn. Spawn himself has done all sorts of comic book crossovers, like Batman and Spider-Man, effectively making DC and Marvel comics part of Donkey Kong's canon. Why not, right? Let's take it up a notch. Donkey Kong, Diddy, and many of the characters already established as part of DK canon, all appear in the Super Smash Bros. games, tying up most of the rest of Nintendo's big franchises (Fire Emblem, Earthbound, Pokemon, Pikmin, etc.) and solidifying those we'd already known about. But a newcomer to the mix is Snake, ergo Metal Gear Solid? All DK canon. And in Metal Gear Solid 2 on the GameCube, Psycho Mantis reads your memory card and mentions Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem! Man! How epic is this? I mean, the Donkey Kong universe is positively sprawling, teeming with all sorts of life and people and enemies and ng4ioe5j45y-p0iut 59uw{(U$T$U#TY)*PIO%JTORJP:TEIOYWETWRETE.DK Vine's attempt at establishing a canon was hilariously awful because they used Six Points of Association to determine what was and was not part of Donkey Kong's universe, sniffing out even the tiniest of cameos (but not going far enough, obviously!). Anyone can go absolutely nuts like this, and I'm sure, given enough effort, you could tie the most ridiculous shit into it, like Bam Margera, the New York Yankees, CSI or Red vs. Blue. In fact, as we've established Marvel is DK canon, the first issue of Deadpool's newest monthly series has him fighting Scrulls in Turner Field, disguised as the Atlanta Braves' mascot, and the Braves have played the Yankees several times in both teams' history...and both teams are real...WHICH MEANS REALITY IS PART OF DONKEY KONG'S CANON HOLY SHIT GUYS WHERE'S THE KREMLINGS AND BANANAS AT WATCH YOUR ASS SHIT'S GOING DOWN GET ME MY RED TIE AND CAP SON OOK OOK NIGGAS I just spent twenty minutes of my life on this post. Why? |
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