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Post by nocturnal YL on Oct 6, 2011 10:30:47 GMT -5
Wait, no seperate thread for this? Won't do! To get started, the Japanese website is now "open" with more than mere screenshots. This is the story: www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/arej/story/In the Mushroom Kingdom, there is a mysterious tree. The tree sports a tail as a branch, and people nicknamed it the tail tree. One night, the kingdom had a storm. Worried about the tree, Princess Peach went to investigate. She did not return in the next morning. Mario and the Toads checked the tree and found it leafless, and found a letter next to it. In the letter was a photo of Bowser holding Peach captive! The Toads panicked. Needless to say, this is Bowser's doing. In order to save Princess PEach, Mario started his journey. (Ugh... kind of not making sense, but at least it explains why everything has a tail.) Other info: (See other pages of the site) - Mario loses his hat when small. - The Y-to-dash mechanic is sticking. In a 3D Mario. - The Propeller Box cannot be stored in the Touch Screen. - Once again, the game laughs at you for not generally staying alive. Die 5 times in a row and you'll be given an invincible leaf that is not timed, and die 10 times straight (in case bottomless pits still do you in) and you'll be given the option to warp right to the finish with the P-Wing. Kind of insulting if you ask me. |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 6, 2011 12:06:35 GMT -5
That's also a pretty good explanation of why leaves turn you into Raccoon Mario. Presumably they're leaves from that tree. I'm into it!
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Post by Koopaul on Oct 6, 2011 21:19:42 GMT -5
Yes I'm quite surprised to find this game expanding on the Mario mythology.
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Oct 7, 2011 17:14:14 GMT -5
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Post by The Qu on Oct 7, 2011 19:03:20 GMT -5
It's official, folks. The e-Reader stuff if bleeding into the main games.
I am ok with this!
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Oct 7, 2011 22:00:16 GMT -5
It's official, folks. The e-Reader stuff if bleeding into the main games. I am ok with this! I wonder if they remotely noticed or cared that it was from the e-Reader games? |
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Post by nocturnal YL on Oct 8, 2011 0:06:31 GMT -5
I think yes. Look at the blue boomerang.
On the other hand, Ice Flower and Goombas with tails are totally not from Mario & Luigi and they just happen to "invent" something that's already there. Because caring only about the platformers is what Mario platformers do.
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Oct 8, 2011 0:13:31 GMT -5
I think yes. Look at the blue boomerang. On the other hand, Ice Flower and Goombas with tails are totally not from Mario & Luigi and they just happen to "invent" something that's already there. Because caring only about the platformers is what Mario platformers do. Once again, this is Miyamoto with his "The RPGs and spin-offs and stuff are okay I guess, but MY Mario games are soooo much better!" vibe. |
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Post by Koopaul on Oct 8, 2011 0:16:51 GMT -5
Haha! You get karma'd for that one nYL!
I kinda wish the "Miyamoto series" (as I like to call them) weren't so shallow.
Then again a lot of Nintendo developers like to pretend other series don't exist/ matter, like Sakamoto with the Prime series.
Oh boy we better shut up before we start something.
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Oct 8, 2011 0:37:26 GMT -5
I could go into how even Smash Bros. is full of lies about how each series is handled, but eh...I suppose that's for another time.
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 8, 2011 5:09:58 GMT -5
Have you guys thought about seeing a psychiatrist?
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 8, 2011 7:11:04 GMT -5
I'm with Kirbychu... really guys? Nintendo has put new things into Super Mario 3D Land and your immediate assumptions are:
A. That it's a coincidence that some appear to have come from non-platformer (or e-Reader) games; and
B. That means Miyamoto hates all the other games.
Look at your argument there. Kirbychu has a point. These are the ramblings of a drunk hobo, and not a far cry from wearing tinfoil headgear to protect your teeth from the CIA.
You don't know it's a coincidence. You don't know that Miyamoto (or the massive team of people who work on Mario games) didn't take these ideas from past games. You also don't know that Miyamoto hates anything. His quotes are always warped out of context. He's not a fan of RPGs, but that doesn't mean he doesn't play them or enjoy the Mario ones.
Honestly guys. Get a grip.
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 8, 2011 8:05:51 GMT -5
Something you guys seem to conveniently forget is that Miyamoto has the same role in the production of the platformers as he does in the Mario Kart games. Mario Kart Wii in particular was crammed with references to games Miyamoto had nothing to do with. It had Funky Kong as a playable character, for christ's sake.
This will blow your mind even further...
He also has the same role in the production of the RPGs you say he hates. I know you guys are mad that Miyamoto cares more about gameplay than story, but arguing that Miyamoto only cares about his games is insane and ridiculous. He was a producer of all of them. The role of the producer is to oversee the entire project. They were all his games.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Oct 8, 2011 12:23:50 GMT -5
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Didn't think the discussion would go on in that direction...
Don't know if Kirbychu or Fry was referring to me, but just to clarify, I didn't specifically name Miyamoto or the developers behind; or that they hated anything.
I said the item ideas probably didn't come from M&L because it's a general trend that the main games don't pick elements from the spinoffs. In my given examples, the ideas aren't that difficult to come up with either (Ice Flower? A logical step two to expand upon the Fire Flower. Goomba with tail? The whole game is about raccoon tails), so saying the "inventions" happened to be coincidential makes sense.
And then... Quoting Fry:
B. That means Miyamoto hates all the other games.
[citation needed]
You don't know it's a coincidence. You don't know that Miyamoto (or the massive team of people who work on Mario games) didn't take these ideas from past games. You also don't know that Miyamoto hates anything.
Of course we don't; that's what opinions are about. Part of what we say are mere speculation.
He's not a fan of RPGs
That's news to me.
And quoting Kirbychu:
I know you guys are mad that Miyamoto cares more about gameplay than story
Not me. And keeping the story simple is not the same as not caring about the story.
The role of the producer is to oversee the entire project. They were all his games.
Overseeing something is different from taking active participation. But I agree; in a way they're all his games.
Not trying to start a fight or anything; just felt like clarifing stuff. And please keep cool.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 8, 2011 12:59:26 GMT -5
YL, to answer your confusing points:
Erm... I don't need to cite anything. I don't believe this is true. This is the stupid argument I am arguing against.
An opinion is a personal judgement. It is not fact. Speculation is guesswork, and it is also not fact.
The following statements are being declared as fact:
1. Because caring only about the platformers is what Mario platformers do.
2. Once again, this is Miyamoto with his "The RPGs and spin-offs and stuff are okay I guess, but MY Mario games are soooo much better!" vibe.
3. Then again a lot of Nintendo developers like to pretend other series don't exist/ matter, like Sakamoto with the Prime series.
All of these are not simply opinions or speculation, they are statements. Statements parading as facts. When someone makes a statement like this, someone like Kirbychu comes along and calls bullshit on you all. And I think that's fair and right.
Would anyone like to find some evidence to back up any of those statements? An interview, a disgruntled ex-employee, anything that isn't just opinion, speculation or bullshit.
It comes up from time to time during interviews about the Mother series and how it got started. There was a recent interview between Iwata and Itoi where it came up again.
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