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Post by nocturnal YL on Oct 8, 2011 14:42:00 GMT -5
Erm... I don't need to cite anything. I don't believe this is true. This is the stupid argument I am arguing against. You seem to believe there are people who believe this is true. I don't think they have said so. An opinion is a personal judgement. It is not fact. Speculation is guesswork, and it is also not fact. The following statements are being declared as fact: 1. Because caring only about the platformers is what Mario platformers do. 2. Once again, this is Miyamoto with his "The RPGs and spin-offs and stuff are okay I guess, but MY Mario games are soooo much better!" vibe. 3. Then again a lot of Nintendo developers like to pretend other series don't exist/ matter, like Sakamoto with the Prime series. All of these are not simply opinions or speculation, they are statements. Statements parading as facts. When someone makes a statement like this, someone like Kirbychu comes along and calls bullshit on you all. And I think that's fair and right. I guess that's a problem in how we present/word them. Think about the articles in Cracked. What are not true at all have been presented as if they are true, in a sarcastic way. This page has a few of these: www.cracked.com/article_19416_the-6-most-badass-families-all-time_p2.htmlIf anything, sorry for the confusion. But yeah, at least in my case, part of it was being sarcastic. |
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Post by Koopaul on Oct 8, 2011 15:55:50 GMT -5
These are all theories. It doesn't mean it is fact, but it doesn't make us crazy. We have reasons to believe what we believe.
We can't tell you we're right no more you can tell us we're wrong.
I also never said Miyamoto hated anything. I simply believe that Miyamoto thinks the characters and content from the RPGs don't matter to the series as a whole, but the content and characters from his platformer games matter the most.
Its not a fact and it might not be true, but its a theory we have.
You don't need to get so upset.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 8, 2011 16:52:04 GMT -5
I cry for you if you believe this. It makes me weep. Read it back to yourself.
The "statements of fact" that I copied and pasted in my last post are actually "theories" now. You say you have reasons to believe these "theories", but you didn't provide any despite me asking you to do so. If you are unable to tell me the reasons why you think it's plausible then I can confidently tell you that you are wrong to hold such a theory in the first place.
But wait, you're not talking about a theory at all. A theory can never be right, because a right theory becomes a fact! A theory is just an idea that hasn't been (but is possible to) definitively prove or disprove. Theories are usually presented to explain a gap in our knowledge.
What you have is just an idea. It doesn't explain any gaps in our knowledge, and it isn't based on reasons that can be proved or disproved, but on your vague belief of what happens in Nintendo HQ. I can't verify it and you haven't verified it. You are claiming it is true, and the onus is on you to do so. If you're not claiming it is true, then be more careful how you word it in the future.
And all this for what? Bitching about Nintendo on a Nintendo forum? Because they put a new suit in that you think is a coincidence? It's fine that you think it's a coincidence! It is a little unlikely, given their track record, that Nintendo would include eReader items. Being a coincidence kinda explains it. Others will disagree, sure.
But at least that's doing the job of theorising about a Mario game rather than poisoning my forums with bile.
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 8, 2011 16:55:58 GMT -5
These are all theories. It doesn't mean it is fact, but it doesn't make us crazy. We have reasons to believe what we believe. I wish I could believe that, but it seems like every time I cross paths with BD lately he's preaching something insane. I'm sorry, but this was starting to look like a meeting of the NinDB Conspiracy Theorists Club, which is not something we need. If you want to talk about how Sakurai is slipping lies into Smash Bros. games to destroy the F-Zero series or the government is peeing in our water to make us buy Xboxes, I don't think NinDB is the place for it. Overseeing something is different from taking active participation. But I agree; in a way they're all his games. Not true. Miyamoto hasn't really been anything more than a producer since Ocarina of Time, but he's still very active in the development of the games. Like I said, his role in the development of Mario & Luigi was exactly the same as his role in the development of New Super Mario Bros. Wii. And we know from interviews that he spent a long time helping the sound guys find the right sound for the propellor hat in NSMBW. Why wouldn't he be just as active on M&L? Hell, he even put a lot of work in on the Mario and Sonic games, and they weren't even made at Nintendo! |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Oct 8, 2011 17:47:55 GMT -5
All this sounds kinda crazed. Let's be honest, Mario games have genre-exclusive content and we all know it. Most build off the platformers, which is generally known as the main series, so obviously they would, but how many Karts do you see outside Mario Kart? When's the last time we've seen Kolorado? Does Toadette make a lot of plot-relevant appearances? No. Because they stick to their genres. It may seem like Nintendo sees Mario side-games as kinda obnoxious and would rather not pollute the main series with them, but really, it's just good organizational skills.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Oct 8, 2011 17:49:58 GMT -5
...Possibly. You're right in that there is little reason to think he's less active in some project than the others. Bitching about Nintendo on a Nintendo forum? I'd say for some, this is what being a fan is about. You'd naturally want something to become better - sometimes the "better" is something commonly agreed on, other times people want it to be "better" for themselves. I'll shut my yap on this particular subject. From now on, anything else I post on this thread would be on the original topic. |
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Oct 8, 2011 17:56:36 GMT -5
Right.
I recall what Koizumi said about there being returning power-ups or something to that effect. The Boomerang Suit may not be a returning power (but loosely based on the Hammer Suit), but in this game's environment, a boomerang may be more of an effective weapon than throwing hammers would.
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Post by Koopaul on Oct 8, 2011 17:59:36 GMT -5
I don't get how what I said is bile poisoning the forums. But if you want to make me out to be a deranged propaganda spreading lunatic that poses a threat to everyone in the community, than maybe you might be overreacting.
So sorry, about dragging this out, but really, I didn't think you were going to get this upset guys.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Oct 8, 2011 18:12:41 GMT -5
Right. I recall what Koizumi said about there being returning power-ups or something to that effect. The Boomerang Suit may not be a returning power (but loosely based on the Hammer Suit), but in this game's environment, a boomerang may be more of an effective weapon than throwing hammers would. I don't know, we've had 3D Fireballs, 3D Hammer Throwing seems valid, even if shorter range. |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 8, 2011 18:30:24 GMT -5
I don't get how what I said is bile poisoning the forums. But if you want to make me out to be a deranged propaganda spreading lunatic that poses a threat to everyone in the community, than maybe you might be overreacting. I think the problem is that you're spreading around this idea as fact without actually looking into the facts at all. Look at your post here: I also never said Miyamoto hated anything. I simply believe that Miyamoto thinks the characters and content from the RPGs don't matter to the series as a whole, but the content and characters from his platformer games matter the most. Important words highlighted. It took me five seconds on Google to discover that Miyamoto was as involved with the RPGs as he was with the platformers. Yet you're somehow under the impression that the platformers are his games, and the RPGs exist independantly of him. No. He made both. This is fact. Does he think that his platformers are better than his RPGs? Perhaps. But the idea that you were treating as fact is that the RPGs are someone else's work that he ignores out of some kind of vanity. Obviously, this isn't the case. But you treat it as fact, and then other ignorant people read it and believe it is fact when it is, in fact, the shit of a bull. Opinions are good when they are based on facts! When they are based on ignorance, such as the previous conversation, they are stupid and dumb. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 8, 2011 19:13:13 GMT -5
I don't get how what I said is bile poisoning the forums. But if you want to make me out to be a deranged propaganda spreading lunatic that poses a threat to everyone in the community, than maybe you might be overreacting. I don't think you're spreading deranged propaganda, I think you're making things up and trying to make out like it's fact, and then defending it with arguments that, frankly, make as little sense as the topic of your debate. You don't pose a threat to everyone in the community, but you do pose a threat to the community itself. You regularly say you want this place to have more fan speculation topics, but every time they appear, your ideas are shot down and there's a "general dislike" for these kinds of topics. While I personally think fan speculation is a waste of time, I run a gaming website, so wasting time is something I do plenty anyway. Have you ever considered that people get angry because of the way you present your speculation? It's the same as this topic. You have an idea but present it as true, and get pissy when people disagree with you. That's not a fun fan topic. So yes, I don't like it. You weren't alone in this particular thread, but you are the only one still being a dick about it. And I'm real bored of having this debate with you every single time. |
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Post by Da Robot on Oct 8, 2011 22:18:57 GMT -5
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Post by Shrikeswind on Oct 8, 2011 23:50:54 GMT -5
And in one post, Da Robot earns a Karma Point.
I have nothing substantial to add, so I'm going to say that I'm hoping for Piledriver Microgoombas to come back.
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Post by TV Eye on Oct 9, 2011 0:24:42 GMT -5
Whoa, I completely ignore this thread, only to discover a war going on... I'm just gonna say that everyone is overreacting. The RPG's are hardly represented in future titles because they don't usually add anything substantial to the series, but looking at Mario Wiki, it seems the RPG's do donate elements to later games... Super Mario RPGPaper MarioMario and Luigi Superstar Saga |
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Post by Koopaul on Oct 9, 2011 1:20:03 GMT -5
The RPGs don't add anything substantial!? What? Are you kidding m- you know what that's a whole 'nother can of worms, so I'll just ignore that.
Phew.
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