SSBB: Info Gathering Here

[Old Man Rupee]

OK, here's the "base of operations" for helping out with Fry's Pre-release feature. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to go through the video (and all sceenshots) of the new Smash Bros game, and report back here with any good stuff for Fry.

My contribution: after reviewing the video several hundred times, I've started to try and spot any actual fighting moves used. For example, you can tell that Pikachu's moveset has hardly been changed at all from SSBM.

[Dances in Undergarments]

You can actually tell that none of the four original character's movesets have been changed (aside from the Super attacks), or at least not significantly - just watch them fight at that start, and especially when Snake is in his box. The sound effects apear to be the same, too - notice Kirby's "oooshi" groan when he transforms back from his stone form.

Also, another observation - Samus is hot. Which we already knew, but now we can see more clearly. I think there will be a new substitute for looking up Peach's dress (which, lets face it, everyone has done). Wait, where was I? Oh, I forget.

[Old Man Rupee]

Ah, yes, you're right of course (umm...about the movesets)

I'd better focus my attentions on the newbie movesets; for example this screenshot shows a Metaknight move:



It looks similar to Link's spin attack move. (Poor Mario's getting a beating! Fight back!)

[Fryguy64]

What I really need is someone to positively identify the castle - whether it's from a Fire Emblem game, and if so, which one?

We now know that Samus and Zero Suit Samus will be separate characters (thanks to official artwork showing both).

[Smashchu]

Well it seems that Metanight will focus on multi hit attacks. His standard can hit about 3-4 times and his >A in the Airs is 3 times. His down attack only hits once.
Pits blades in the air seems to produce quick short strikes. His standard attack seems to hit twice at the lease.

[Dances in Undergarments]

And I was just having a look at... ugh.... Gamefaqs, and it would seem ZS Samus has an energy whip rather than just an energy sword

so it looks like she could be Ivy (from Soul Calibur) style, but with a gun as well! 3 weapons = awesome.

[Fryguy64]

Nice spot ;D

I expect with blaster, whip and beam swords, she's probably replacing Shiek's multi-weapon capabilities. Doesn't mean Zelda won't be in it, but she probably won't turn all ninja on us again.

[wanderingshadow]

Maybe she'll turn into Tetra. Everyone knows that people like pirates better than ninjas. For further details, visit axapirate.com.

[Flip]

Sheik could still appear in TP, though. BUT, if anyone gets axed, they're the most likely, in my book, if Link went all futuristic Twilighty on us and Sheik is absent from that game

Meta Knight's Down B Cloak thing (I'm assuming it's his Down B; moves like that usually go to that assignment) deflects attacks. It bounced Pit's Light Arrow off to the side, which is pretty cool. Don't know if it works like Fox's Reflector or Mewtwo's Confusion, though (OR Marth's Counter, where it only works for that one split second, and sends it off in crazy directions...).

Pit looks like he'll fight similar to Young Link. He's actually kinda speedy, which is cool. Looks like a blend between Young Link, Marth, and Kirby. Which, of course, means all those Gamefaqs goons are crying "BROKEN" or "MY FIRST AND BEST PLAYA." Heh.

And if you noticed, none of the 4 oldies we saw fighting used their normal B specials. Wonder if they weren't programmed yet?

EDIT: I take that back. Pika uses Quick Attack once or twice. Hm. Also, does Wario look smaller than usual to anyone else? He's not as... pudgy.

EDIT 2: Ack. Kirby uses his Up B as well. Okay, forget that altogether and entirely >.>

EDIT 3: Woah. I watched the video around Meta Knight's Cloak attack again in Slow-Mo, and it negated Pit's Arrow entirely. It must be a limited ability then (like he can't move, it only lasts so long), because it just removed the effects entirely

EDIT 4: Man, I can't stop XD I just noticed in the last screen on your Pre-Release page, Fry, that Meta Knight has grabbed Mario. If you watch closely, he does a running grab (so those return ), slashes Mario good (so is that his Z/A Grab?), and tosses him backwards. Coolies!

[Dances in Undergarments]

fliptroopa said:

EDIT 4: Man, I can't stop XD I just noticed in the last screen on your Pre-Release page, Fry, that Meta Knight has grabbed Mario. If you watch closely, he does a running grab (so those return ), slashes Mario good (so is that his Z/A Grab?), and tosses him backwards. Coolies!

What about the possibility of a B Throw/Attack? I know there is no evidence whatsoever to say that Metakinght isn't using a normal throw, but I really wouldn't be surprised if there was a special B throw for each character (as that, along with the Super Smashes, would at least make the old characters seem different enough even if they have basically the same moveset).


And regarding Zelda/Shiek, its also worth noting that Zelda has a sword in the twilight Princess artowrk, and so, if she uses it in Twilight Princess, then I'd say theres a good chance she will become the Twilight Princess version of herself (which means, more than likely, that she would be the Twilight Princess)

Can't see them ditching Shiek, though, either - so maybe she'll be on her own? Who really knows?

[Sqrt2]

smashchu2 said:

Well it seems that Metanight will focus on multi hit attacks. His standard can hit about 3-4 times and his >A in the Airs is 3 times. His down attack only hits once.
Pits blades in the air seems to produce quick short strikes. His standard attack seems to hit twice at the lease.

Ahhhh.. so he's one of those 'cheap' characters them like SC2's Raphael.

[Dry Mario]

You may want to see this: gonintendo.com/?p=2577

[Smashchu]

Also In the video when Link does his DownA in Air he goes through the enemy insted of bouncing.

[Flip]

Probably programming. Why wouldn't he bounce? He always does in Zelda II

[TrustTheFungus]

Not sure if anyone has seen this:

www.smashbros.com/jp/toukou/bn/no1_1.html

Here's a list of characters mentioned:

"Megaman
Claus (MOTHER 3)
Lucas (MOTHER 3)
King K. Rool (DK Country)
King Dedede (Kirby)
Geno (SMB RPG)
Professor Kawasima (Prof. Kawashima's Brain Training: How old is your Brain?)
Kalas (Batten Kaitos)
Cheer Group (? Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan! ?)
Doctor Pepper (? General Pepper from Star Fox?)
Sigurd (Fire Emblem)
Black Shadow (F-Zero)
Takao (female character, 8 years old?)
Dragon Chan (Super Punch-Out!!!)
G-Red (Gotchaforce)
Hammer Bros.
Ogma (Fire Emblem)

the cute technician Sawayama (?) (this is entry #54)
entry #56 is incomprehensible to me, but it's supposedly about characters
entry #59 seems to mention something "sonic," but i can't tell if it's actually a reference to the character and the joke of him being in Melee."

smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=71872&page=1&pp=15

There's some pretty good choices there. Professor Kawasima would be awesome.