Samus ZERO
Pikpik Carrot
Well, doesn't that just beat all?
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Post by Samus ZERO on May 17, 2006 17:24:05 GMT -5
I wouldnt mind Megaman, K.Rool, K.Dedede, Geno and maybe Kalas but they are kinda strange choices for me. I think that I will keep me choices wide open until the official cast list has been announced...
Can you imagine the Hammer Bros? They would be like Ice Climbers and I don't think it would work too well - although I did like the Ice Climbers in Melee.
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Post by Flip on May 17, 2006 19:01:55 GMT -5
I've actually seen this list on Gamefaqs and another random site I found while surfing. This particular version is much, much more complete and translated better  Remember: These are the suggestions that, after sorting through the probable hundreds, Sakurai or whomever decided to showcase. He's personally read them all, and probably considered a few of them as well, but this DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE IN THE GAME, nor does it mean THESE ARE HIS IDEAS. I know you guys understand this, but it's for any bystanders. You wouldn't believe how many numbskulls out there think this is the final roster >.> Okay, here's what I say to each of them, because I am a greedy jerk who loves to hear himself type  Megaman -- He started on a Nintendo console, he's popular, and he'd be unique. Maybe he could copy abilities ala Kirby (he gets them on KO?). I can see this happening, but that would require Capcom, and to get over that whole "we can't rely on third parties to fill our roster" hurdleClaus (MOTHER 3) -- He looks a lot cooler than Lucas I wouldn't mind him as an alt. suit or something for Ness (OR Lucas), or, wth, his own character (but we can't have all three, no way) Lucas (MOTHER 3) -- Will he replace Ness? Likely. And his twin bro can be his clone or suit or something, which would be cool.King K. Rool (DK Country) -- Cool. I personally think he, well.. sucks. But to each his own. We could use another villain, even if he is Bowser with a crazy eye King Dedede (Kirby) -- Suh-weet. I've wanted him since Day One, almost as much as Pit. Totally awesome fighter.Geno (SMB RPG) -- He has a MASSIVE fanbase, and he's my personal favorite as well (I was one of the few and proud who decided to neglect Peach and use him with Mario and Bowser instead in SMRPG). Would definitely be a very effective, and almost "legit" Nintendo character, with plenty of possibilities. He's barely third party, really.Professor Kawasima (Prof. Kawashima's Brain Training: How old is your Brain?) -- XD XD XD I can see this being an item or a stage, but a fighter? Man. That would rock so hard, but I can't see them doing it for real. Great suggestion though XDKalas (Batten Kaitos) -- I am actually working my way through this game right now! (bargain bin 2 disc RPG? I'm there!) ...but why? He's Namco, which isn't far off for a 3rd party, but wow. Of everyone under their belt, KALAS? Who looks like Marth with wings? No thank you Cheer Group (? Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan! ?) -- XD XD ELITE BEAT FTW!Doctor Pepper (? General Pepper from Star Fox?) -- Dr. Pepper is the greatest soda ever (next to Surge, of course). ... oh wait... mistranslation? Meh. He'd be a really crappy character, let's be real here (and no, that's not an endorsement for Wolf, people >.>)Sigurd (Fire Emblem) -- FE 4, right? That's the most popular one, if I'm not mistaken. Sure, what the heck Just make him unique enoughBlack Shadow (F-Zero) -- Eh. Cool, I guess, but pretty generic villain. Bowser has classic appeal, Mewtwo just oozes originality and coolness, and Ganondorf was needed. Black Shadow? Not that great. Actually, he's REALLY generic...Takao (female character, 8 years old?) -- uh... bad translation?Dragon Chan (Super Punch-Out!!!) -- Was he the guy who kicked? AWESOME! Though I'd totally take Mac over him if we had to take ANYBODY from Punch Out  G-Red (Gotchaforce) -- Eh. If Capcom lent ANYBODY, Megaman is far more likely.Hammer Bros. -- As a duo? That's just weird. I would like to play as just one though, yeah. Definitely. But that's getting into "Mario generics as fighters" territory, and I don't like that much Ogma (Fire Emblem) -- who? |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on May 17, 2006 19:30:21 GMT -5
MegamanThird-party. Does not belong in SSB.
Claus & Lucas (MOTHER 3)One, or both of them together like Ice Climbers would be cool. A lot better than having another character from Mother 2.
King K. Rool (DK Country)As long as we get Diddy Kong, also.
King Dedede (Kirby)Great! Dedede is awesome!
Geno (SMB RPG)He's one of my favorite Mario characters, but there are still more important characters that I'd rather have.(Toad)
Professor Kawasima (Prof. Kawashima's Brain Training: How old is your Brain?)Greatest idea ever.
Kalas (Batten Kaitos)Third-party. Does not belong in SSB.
Cheer Group (? Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan! ?)I really wanted these guys, but I didn't think Nintendo would consider them.
Doctor Pepper (? General Pepper from Star Fox?)My favorite drink. I hope they don't mean General Pepper. There's a lot of better Star Fox characters.
Sigurd (Fire Emblem)Awesome. I can't think a better FE character to choose.
Black Shadow (F-Zero)He's ok. I'm not a big fan of F-Zero. I'd prefer Samurai Goroh, though.
Takao (female character, 8 years old?)...I really wish I knew who this was.
Dragon Chan (Super Punch-Out!!!) Little Mac and possibly Bald Bull are the only PO characters that I can see in SSB.
G-Red (Gotchaforce)Third-party. Does not belong in SSB.
Hammer Bros.Generic enemy. No!
Ogma (Fire Emblem)Better choices from FE.
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Post by Leon on May 17, 2006 21:41:56 GMT -5
What I really need is someone to positively identify the castle - whether it's from a Fire Emblem game, and if so, which one? We now know that Samus and Zero Suit Samus will be separate characters (thanks to official artwork showing both). That castle has the Daein flag from Path of Radiance. You can see it here.  Oguma is a mercenary from FE1/3. If you've wathed the OAV he's the soldier who fights Navaare. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on May 18, 2006 0:50:19 GMT -5
Megaman Third-party. Does not belong in SSB.Theres already one in, and there will more than likely be more. You might not like it, but I think its too late to fight it. I'll do the rating thing, too Megaman - The obvious representative for Capcom, who I'd say are quite likely to lend a character to SSBB. Sounds good to me, I like the idea. Claus (MOTHER 3) - As an alternate costume of Ness, sure (or have Ness as an alternate costume of him, alternatively). Lucas (MOTHER 3) - See above King K. Rool (DK Country) - More villians is a good idea. K. Rool's not the most notable villian, but he could have a nice moveset and I'd definately like to see more DK representation. Once again, sounds good. King Dedede (Kirby) - Once again, more villians = good. We've already got Metanight, though, but I still think Dedede would be a nice choice. Put him in. Geno (SMB RPG) - I don't see why this guy's so popular, to be honest. He's a character that appeared in one Mario RPG, so why not Fawful, or Rawk Hawk, or Stuffwell, or who knows who else? Oh, thats right, because people have heart attacks whenever Square does anything. If he's in, he's in, but I won't cry if he doesn't appear. Professor Kawasima (Prof. Kawashima's Brain Training: How old is your Brain?) - No idea how a flying head would work as a playable character, but this would be awesome. Maybe its his head that controls the Master and Crazy Hands, and the whole game is a simple reflex brain test? Actually, that would be extremely cool. Kalas (Batten Kaitos) - Never played Baiten Kaitos, but, lets face it, if a Namco character gets in, its gonna be Pacman. And there are quite a few more notable characters after that yellow sphere that would go in before this dude. Leave him out. Cheer Group (? Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan! ?) - How would it work? I dunno. But it's a cool sounding idea. Doctor Pepper (? General Pepper from Star Fox?) - [Insert joke about the drink here]. Eh. Fairly generic character. Sigurd (Fire Emblem) - Know nothing about FE. Abstain. Black Shadow (F-Zero) - Another villian, but not one thats all that exciting, and I'm not convinced F0 needs any more than one character as representation. Leave him out. Takao (female character, 8 years old?) - Female characters are a good idea. Thats all I can say, because nobody has any idea who this is, it would seem. Dragon Chan (Super Punch-Out!!!) - PO characters are a necessity. But Little Mac gets first priority. G-Red (Gotchaforce) - Who? Its a capcom game, is it? Nah, Megaman should be Capcom's man, and even if a second is used, there are plenty of other options. Leave him out. Hammer Bros. - Generic Mario enemy. Would be fun, but not needed. Needs to be in the Adventure mode, though. Ogma (Fire Emblem) - Once again, I'll abstain from FE. |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on May 18, 2006 1:47:56 GMT -5
Megaman Third-party. Does not belong in SSB.Theres already one in, and there will more than likely be more. You might not like it, but I think its too late to fight it. I disagree. Just because there's already Third-Party characters in SSB does not mean that they belong in it. If I'm eating a bowl of soup and a fly falls into it that doesn't mean the fly belongs in my soup. It doesn't mean there should be more flies in my soup. And it's not to late to fight for my next bowl of soup to not have flies in it. Oh, thats right, because people have heart attacks whenever Square does anything. I don't know why I like Geno, but it's not because of Square. Other than SMRPG I don't think I like any of their games. I do agree that there are better choices for new Mario characters. Toad, E. Gadd, Bowser Jr., Birdo, Kamek, Kammy, Waluigi, Daisy... |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on May 18, 2006 4:38:20 GMT -5
Theres already one in, and there will more than likely be more. You might not like it, but I think its too late to fight it. I disagree. Just because there's already Third-Party characters in SSB does not mean that they belong in it. If I'm eating a bowl of soup and a fly falls into it that doesn't mean the fly belongs in my soup. It doesn't mean there should be more flies in my soup. And it's not to late to fight for my next bowl of soup to not have flies in it. Nice analogy, I can see your argument. However lets move away from the flies, but keep the food analogies. Lets say you are making a pie. The last two pies you made were vegetarian, and people liked them for that. But 'Oh No!' when you were making your third pie, you accidently got some meat into it. You can't get it out (...why? No idea, but you can't) so do you... a) Leave that meat in there buy itself, and hope that people will ignore it and that its not going to cause vegatarians to throw up if they do happen to eat it or b) chuck in some meat, and advertise it as a pie that has meat. I'm not talking a fully meat pie, here, but rather a vegatarian-style pie with a nice inclusion of some meat. Bah, metaphors are useless. For me, its a matter of "Snakes in, lets open up the doors and let some more 3rd parties in". Not ridiculous amounts, or ridiculous characters (if someone like Lara Croft gets in...... I'm going go nuts), but just a nice sprinkling of Capcom, Sega, Namco and Hudson. Maybe Square-Enix, too.... maybe. |
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Post by Flip on May 18, 2006 11:36:31 GMT -5
Here's my take on third parties, which I've said many times before (btw, nice analogies guys ) Snake got in. There's a reason for that. Kojima is friends with Sakurai, Konami and Nintendo agreed to do it. Miyamoto said that other third parties are not out of the question, and if there's a discussion at the corporate level, then sure. It may be even happening now. Sakurai said he wanted to keep it mostly Nintendo, and not fall into the trap of carrying everyone's weight for them. It's easier to keep it Nintendo; there's no royalties, it continues the message of celebrating Nintendo history, etc. etc. BUT he's not beyond, as he said himself, a few more third party characters, so long as they are unique, fit the game, and don't outcrowd Nintendo. Look. SSBB is a Nintendo game. It's going to sell Wiis (XD XD XD...okay, serious time), and it's going to sell Nintendo properties. Kojima LOVES Nintendo now. He wants to quit MGS4 just to work on a Wii game. Hudson and Konami are well into the Virtual Console thing. So is Sega. They are all working together to make the Wii a great console. However, there's companies like Squeenix, who are still widely in support of Sony. Let's look at it logically. Would Nintendo want to advertise for themselves, or their rivals? If they put in characters like Link, Mario, Fox, etc.... that is marketing for them. If they can include characters like Snake for personal reasons, that is marketing for Kojima's game, yes, but also any future projects of his and the rumored port of MGS4 to the Wii. If Sonic gets in, if Bonk gets in, etc. etc.... they advertise their virtual console games. It's money. But if they were to throw in somebody like... Cloud, who has never been in a major title for a Nintendo console (Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories does NOT count), they would be giving Sony tons of free advertising. Do they want that? Hell no. If they are going to include third party characters, which I think they will but only very few, they will be ones that help move Nintendo consoles. They aren't going to include some obscure third party character like Marina Lightyears (sorry. I think she's cool too :/), nor are they going to include any Squeenix characters, nor are they going to start throwing in people like Lara Croft or Dante or any of that. If anybody gets in, it is somebody who will be a major player in Nintendo's future. Kojima looks to be fitting that role, and Snake is his creation. Will Sonic and Sega? Maybe. Naka was apparently also in talks about getting Sonic in Melee, but similar to Kojima was too late. But Naka doesn't work for Sonic Team anymore (see why I don't think he's going to be in there now?), and Sega is still iffy with the Sonic license (the bigger of the two Sonic titles, at least in production, is for the PS3 and XBOX). How about Bonk and Bomberman? Now we're getting somewhere. Hudson has been reduced to a small speck of what it once was, so it is using all its resources to support the TurboGrafx on the Virtual Console to the max. Hell, Nintendo was one of its major publishers and funders at one point in time. Yes, there is a super extreme Bomberman for XBOX, but Hudson games, for the most part, have fallen on either Nintendo consoles or the TurboGrafx. I think, and this is because Hudson has now thrown their full support behind Nintendo and the Wii, we will definitely see a Hudson character. And with Konami owning Hudson, and already having allowed their biggest property in the game, who knows. Maybe another character will join as well. Namco and Capcom... they still haven't invested a lot of money and time into the Wii. YES, Namco has crossed over, and YES both developers have used Nintendo properties. BUT they are not completely behind Nintendo and the Wii, like Hudson and a sizeable chunk of Konami. Capcom says they would love to put Megaman on the Wii, but Namco hasn't said much. You need to look at these matters from a developer perspective, and not just "this character was in this game which was on SNES back before PSX. he's in." They need rights to the license, they need to pay royalties, and they need corporate discussion. Otherwise, there are no third party characters. So think of each character you want that's non-Nintendo, what company they're from, and then consider if that developer is truly "for Nintendo." If it is, and it's pretty close to 100%, then yeah, sure. It could happen. But no way are we seeing Final Fantasy characters, esp. those post-FF6, or any other properties like that. I'm pretty certain of it. And if I'm proven wrong, strike me down, but I will come back more powerful than you could ever imagine XD |
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Post by Flip on May 18, 2006 11:38:39 GMT -5
I'm very sorry for the length of my post, guys, but I would appreciate it if you at least skimmed it.
Btw, here's my thoughts on who will appear, based on what I consider to be the 3rd Party Credentials:
--Snake, as we know
--Bonk
--Bomberman
--Simon
At most, those four. At least the first two. If they go for more, I can see Master Higgins or Twinbee.
Above, I don't doubt Nintendo going after Capcom or Namco, but it's not as likely as Hudson or Konami. And I still don't think we'll see any Sega properties, much to everybody (but myself)'s chagrin. Hopefully that doesn't hurt sales or reviews >.>
EDIT:
I just remembered something else Sakurai said. It's difficult, and this is true for all media, to take somebody else's character and make them work and feel the exact same way they did when used by the creator. He's working close with Kojima to keep Snake... Snakey. To include Sonic, Bomberman, Megaman, Geno, Kalas, etc.... he'd have to work with the creators to make them true to form. It's very difficult using a character that isn't yours, and you don't have quick access to the original creator/designer of their games.
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Post by TrustTheFungus on May 18, 2006 13:07:28 GMT -5
Bah, metaphors are useless. For me, its a matter of "Snakes in, lets open up the doors and let some more 3rd parties in". Not ridiculous amounts, or ridiculous characters (if someone like Lara Croft gets in...... I'm going go nuts), but just a nice sprinkling of Capcom, Sega, Namco and Hudson. Maybe Square-Enix, too.... maybe. For me, when I see a third-party character I also see an awesome first-party character that won't get in. There's not enough room for the meat and the vegetables in this pie. You add some pork to the pie and all of sudden the potatoes pop out. I guess I'll be happy with SSB/pie as long as I get....about 36 different Nintendo characters/vegetables. (Characters like Zero Suit Samus do not count towards the 36.) fliptroopa, your posts needed more food analogies. |
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Post by amazingeee on May 18, 2006 14:33:53 GMT -5
For me, when I see a third-party character I also see an awesome first-party character that won't get in. There's not enough room for the meat and the vegetables in this pie. You add some pork to the pie and all of sudden the potatoes pop out. I guess I'll be happy with SSB/pie as long as I get....about 36 different Nintendo characters/vegetables. (Characters like Zero Suit Samus do not count towards the 36.) fliptroopa, your posts needed more food analogies. You want no third parties even though there already are third parties... And you want 36 Nintendo characters, but you won't count them all, for whatever reason... Methinks you're being a little bit too hard to please. |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on May 18, 2006 16:32:41 GMT -5
You want no third parties even though there already are third parties... And you want 36 Nintendo characters, but you won't count them all, for whatever reason... Methinks you're being a little bit too hard to please. How am I being hard to please? All I ask is SSBB be a good sequal to SSBM. Adding third-party characters to a series themed around first party characters is not a good sequal. Adding multiple versions one character is just annoying. And I was thinking. If the Cheer Group from Osu! Tatakae Ouedon! get added, will they be changed to the Elite Beat Agents outside Japan? I like the EBA, but I sorta like the Cheer Group better. |
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Post by kirbychu on May 18, 2006 18:24:35 GMT -5
Who exactly ARE the Cheer Group?
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Post by TrustTheFungus on May 18, 2006 18:48:11 GMT -5
Who exactly ARE the Cheer Group?  They are also in Fryguy's sig. EDIT: And here's the Elite Beat Agents.  |
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Post by kirbychu on May 18, 2006 19:15:52 GMT -5
Huh. And after looking through the database, I see they're from a game I've never heard of. Why am I always so far behind with the handheld releases?  |
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