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Post by Arcadenik on Dec 24, 2007 18:45:40 GMT -5
Well, it stems from Dr. Mario being the fifth Mario character in Melee but he's very likely be removed, leaving that spot vacant... So people would want someone to fill that spot, whether it be Toad, Bowser, Jr., or even Geno.
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 24, 2007 19:44:39 GMT -5
That's kinda silly.. So Bowser Jr. can't be playable because we already have two playable turtles with Bowser and Squirtle? Maybe Takamaru, Marth, and Young Link shouldn't be playable because we already have three sword-fighters with Link, Meta Knight, and Ike. Maybe Luigi shouldn't be playable because we already have two playable plumbers with Mario and Overalls Wario.  That's not the same thing. Flip was agruing that with Squirtle and Bowser already in the game that there wasn't much else new to draw on, and he has a point. Bowser Jr. is but a smaller Bowser. Diddy on the other hand has been playable and has more to draw on, despite the fact one could say he was a little DK. You could make a moveset, but it would hard for it to be new and fresh. Paintbrush is kind of forced, and anything physical would be a little Bowser. |
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Post by Manspeed on Dec 24, 2007 19:49:43 GMT -5
Well, it stems from Dr. Mario being the fifth Mario character in Melee but he's very likely be removed, leaving that spot vacant... So people would want someone to fill that spot, whether it be Toad, Bowser, Jr., or even Geno. There shouldn't be any "spots" to be filled at all. I'm sick of that argument. I'd say having one less Mario character this time is a good thing, considering the possible presence of a bias. |
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Post by TV Eye on Dec 24, 2007 20:29:00 GMT -5
Well, it stems from Dr. Mario being the fifth Mario character in Melee but he's very likely be removed, leaving that spot vacant... So people would want someone to fill that spot, whether it be Toad, Bowser, Jr., or even Geno. There shouldn't be any "spots" to be filled at all. I'm sick of that argument. I'd say having one less Mario character this time is a good thing, considering the possible presence of a bias. What? That's crazy. Mario characters have so much to draw from. Mario is iconic to Nintendo. Not adding a new character would be crazy, and technically isn't DK, Wario, and Yoshi also Mario characters? They may have their own spinoffs now, but they are still apart of Mario's universe... |
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Post by Flip on Dec 25, 2007 1:55:36 GMT -5
If Kirby is getting 3 and Zelda's likely having 3(4) again and Pokemon gets 3(4) or maybe even FIVE? Mario's getting five. There's no friggin' way they are leaving it at 4 Mario characters, esp. when Yoshi, Wario, and DK/Diddy are all their own camps. The Mario series has "the main 10," and they're all present in the game in some form already. Mario, Peach, Bowser, Wario, Yoshi, DK are all playable. Waluigi is an AT. Daisy is a costume of Peach. And Peach's B is a Toad summon. Any other Mario characters after that really are the expendable secondary/tertiary cast. And from that, the only ones worth mentioning that have a good shot are Jr. and Geno. And, personally, I want Geno. I didn't mean that "lol too tertlles means no bowsa jr." That's stupid. My point was that Jr. isn't going to be aesthetically or playing any different from already present characters. Squirtle's small and light and attacks with his shell, Bowser's big and heavy and attacks with his shell. Bowser Jr. would obviously fall somewhere in between, closer to Squirtle maybe, but retain Bowser-like attacks and, well, anything unique on him (like the Gaddbrush or even Shadow Mario) would feel forced. When I picture Jr., I DO picture him breathing fire and ramming his shell into things. I don't picture him flinging a brush or vanishing into water. It's unique, but that's not the character. That's just one game, and a moveset completely forced on him to make him special. Link uses a sword. Ike uses a sword. Meta uses a sword. But do they fight the same? God no. Link has projectile spam and he's average. Ike is deadly strong and slow. And Meta Knight flies all over the place with sharp slashes. They play nothing alike, and they're all true to character. I can't see Bowser Jr. being true to character without feeling like a mini-Bowser or fire-Squirtle. I'm sorry. At least somebody like Geno has potential to be completely original. Sure, he has a laser cannon of sorts like Samus. But does Samus fire stars or energy blades? Can she fly all akimbo because she's a puppet? Does she morph into a cannon? Shoot bullets from her elbows? Summon beams of light from above? And one thing I just thought of: Geno has a backstory. He has a purpose, he has a story, he represents something. Where did Jr. come from? Is he really significant? He helps Bowser, revived him once when he became a skeleton. But is there much depth to him? Not really. I'm not saying Geno's any less two-dimensional than Jr., but at least he has a tale to tell. He's a star that fell from Star Road when it was destroyed by Smithy, and he went on to possess the body of a doll ("who looked like the strongest" ;p) and take Smithy on all by his lonesome. He meets and helps Mario, Mallow, and the rest and takes them through to Smithy's Factory. And along the way, he gets some rocking abilities and becomes the "leader" of the ragtag group. Like everyone says, he IS Super Mario RPG. The game is timeless, I think. And Geno is the perfect thing to pull from that game and share with Nintendo fans new and old. If it's coming out on Virtual Console soon (and the DS sequel rumors are true), they better damn well do it. BTW, there's a reason Geno cameoed in Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga. A lot of the Mario RPG team "graduated" to AlphaDream and worked on that game, and felt the need to slip him as an homage to the original. Of course, they needed the permission of Squeenix but that wasn't too hard to settle out. Truth be told, the guys who are making the Mario role playing games now even love the character if that isn't evidence enough. They did something Nintendo's been too wimpy to do for a while: get old properties back from Square. And I definitely think that, like those guys, Sakurai has the balls to do it. There was some kid awhile back on SmashBoards who said he dropped off a packet of Geno stuff in the mail for Sora, Ltd. Don't know if I believe he sent it, but the dedication I do buy. Who knows. Maybe Sakurai got it? It was a ridiculously thick packet, so I doubt he read it. But the point was made!  |
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Dec 25, 2007 5:29:09 GMT -5
Man you really want Geno playable huh Flip? But does Samus fire stars or energy blades? Can she fly all akimbo because she's a puppet? Does she morph into a cannon? Shoot bullets from her elbows? Summon beams of light from above? Bowser has no brush and shit either. I'm not saying Jr.'s whole moveset should be Sunshine based, but having him swipe the brush as his smash attack would work. Maybe a fire breather move that spits little fireballs instead of a sea of flames? Pretty much sets him apart from Bowser, not more or less then Geno shooting shit from afar like Samus. Both have a high chance of getting in, but I see Jr. getting in before Geno. He's better known showing up in all those Mario games these days. He's like Bowser's Luigi. What shitty analogy. But who says there can't be 2 new Mario characters anyway. Also Geno morphing into a cannon and blasting the place up would make a for a good FS |
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 25, 2007 7:21:23 GMT -5
Bowser has no brush and hobo either. I'm not saying Jr.'s whole moveset should be Sunshine based, but having him swipe the brush as his smash attack would work. Maybe a fire breather move that spits little fireballs instead of a sea of flames? Pretty much sets him apart from Bowser, not more or less then Geno shooting hobo from afar like Samus. But I think I agree with Flip in that the paintbrush would seem forced. Yeah, I guess it ould work, but it seems odd. I don't know, he could probably be a unique character, one who is short and heavy, but I like Geno and his Lazar a bit better. I'm siding on Geno. His higher poll rating and much MUCH larger fanbase gives him an edge. He also has fewer enemies. I think it's going to come down to rights, but if AlphaDream can get them then Sakurai will probably try as well. He does do a lot for his fans and listens to them which you have to respect in a Gamer designer. I am in the same boat as I've wated Geno in Brawl since Melee ;D |
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Post by Arcadenik on Dec 25, 2007 8:16:39 GMT -5
so Bowser Jr. using the paintbrush and transforming into Shadow Mario will feel forced? How exactly? Bowser Jr. used the paintbrush in Mario Power Tennis for his specials. That's part of his character. And sure, transforming into Shadow Mario was only in one game but hell, even Zelda transformed into Sheik in one game and people are still hoping that Zelda transforms into Sheik in Brawl. And what's this about Bowser Jr. needing a backstory to be in? We know where Bowser Jr. came from... He is Bowser's 8th son. It isn't like all the Mario characters have a backstory. |
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 25, 2007 9:10:58 GMT -5
I'm siding on Geno. His higher poll rating and much MUCH larger fanbase gives him an edge. He also has fewer enemies. Geno has an absolutely tiny fanbase, they're just very vocal. And he has few enemies because a very, very small amount of people have actually heard of him. If we're having Geno playable, we may as well have the Paper Mario partners in there, too. They have about the same status in the Mario universe, except the PM partners are more well-known. Bombette for Brawl! |
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Post by TV Eye on Dec 25, 2007 9:17:51 GMT -5
If we're having Geno playable, we may as well have the Paper Mario partners in there, too. They have about the same status in the Mario universe, except the PM partners are more well-known. Bombette for Brawl! Best argument I've heard all day. GOOMBARIO FOR BRAWL! |
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 25, 2007 10:51:08 GMT -5
I'm siding on Geno. His higher poll rating and much MUCH larger fanbase gives him an edge. He also has fewer enemies. Geno has an absolutely tiny fanbase, they're just very vocal. And he has few enemies because a very, very small amount of people have actually heard of him. If we're having Geno playable, we may as well have the Paper Mario partners in there, too. They have about the same status in the Mario universe, except the PM partners are more well-known. Bombette for Brawl! Super Mario RPG sold more then the best selling Mario game, despite being in only two region. As such, Geno's fanbase is largerthen Paper Mario characters. Consequently, since the game sold over 2million, it is not small, or at least nor as small as Fire Emblem and Mother/Earthbound. Also, status isn't a good thing to argue. Your talking about the Mario franchise which has a few importaint characters and then a whole bunch other. Popularity is probably the best bet and Geno wins on that front. |
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Dec 25, 2007 11:25:58 GMT -5
A lot of people never even heard of Geno (Europeans anyway), but a lot of kids who played past 3d Mario games atleast recognise mini Bowser. Most people who do bloody hate him too though.. I however have started to like the chubby brat turtle over the years so I wouldn't mind him being playable. Anyway let us wait 1 more month and check out the complete roster some otaku posted 2 days after release. Both characters could work, let's see who Sakurai picked out  |
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 25, 2007 11:42:48 GMT -5
Super Mario RPG sold more then the best selling Mario game, despite being in only two region. SMRPG sold more than SMB3, Mario 64 or Mario World? You lie, sir. |
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Post by TV Eye on Dec 25, 2007 11:52:24 GMT -5
Super Mario RPG sold more then the best selling Mario game, despite being in only two region. SMRPG sold more than SMB3, Mario 64 or Mario World? You lie, sir. Yeah, what's up with that? |
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Post by Manspeed on Dec 25, 2007 11:56:44 GMT -5
Mallow is as much of SMRPG as Geno is, and I think he deserves equal billing. So if Geno gets in, Mallow gets in. That's that. Otherwise, I don't want Geno, not at all.
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