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Post by kirbychu on Dec 26, 2007 6:08:52 GMT -5
And how about Ness in SSB64? He was in ONE game. One measly game. The series had two titles, but only one ever got into the US and it was a cult hit at best. Earthbound has yet to see a remake or re-release on any medium, and the sequel is completely ignored outside of Japan. Ness was only in the game because Sakurai wanted him in the game, despite being completely unknown and only present in a single game. Don't tell me Earthbound is above Super Mario RPG in fanbase and hype. I will tell you EarthBound is above SMRPG in fanbase and hype. Because it's the truth. EarthBound has a huge Japanese fanbase. That's why, after it was announced, Mother 3 only fell out of Famitsu's list of Japan's top ten most wanted games once, and showed up again right afterwards. It spent a considerable amount of that time at number 1. When Mother was released, it brought with it a ridiculous amount of merchandise, which sold like hotcakes. Mother 2 brought even more, which sold even better. Mother 3, for some reason, didn't bring quite as much, but the stuff it did bring still sold. Now please show me to the SMRPG merch, because I've never seen a single item. EDIT: Oh lord, I just noticed the whole Yoko Shimomura thing. She's listed for Kingdom Hearts because it's the most famous game she worked on. Seriously, who's never heard of Kingdom Hearts? It's what she's best known for. But if we're really going down that road, then oh fuck guys, I just noticed Shogo Sakai wasn't credited for the Kirby series, I smell something big! |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Dec 26, 2007 6:33:18 GMT -5
oh yeah i can't beleive i forgot the name change to go with this. Its fixed now.
ROLL ON BANDWAGON, ROLL ON!
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Post by Flip on Dec 26, 2007 15:01:11 GMT -5
oh yeah i can't beleive i forgot the name change to go with this. Its fixed now. ROLL ON BANDWAGON, ROLL ON! Aaaaaand we go back to the original topic  Shogo Sakai only worked on a remake and Squeak Squad with two or three other composers. The majority of games he's worked on aren't even Nintendo related. Shimomura worked on a lot of Squaresoft games, but she's known for Mario RPG/Mario and Luigi (SS and PiT) as well as Kingdom Hearts. I'm just stating something I think is a little fishy. But regardless of all the arguing and where we all stand, can we all just accept that Mario RPG is going to be somewhere in Brawl? It has enough of a significance to the community to be worth representing. It seems like you guys are just outright attacking the game for no good reason other than you personally disliking it, and that's a bit unfair. |
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 26, 2007 15:15:45 GMT -5
And how about Ness in SSB64? He was in ONE game. One measly game. The series had two titles, but only one ever got into the US and it was a cult hit at best. Earthbound has yet to see a remake or re-release on any medium, and the sequel is completely ignored outside of Japan. Ness was only in the game because Sakurai wanted him in the game, despite being completely unknown and only present in a single game. Don't tell me Earthbound is above Super Mario RPG in fanbase and hype. I will tell you EarthBound is above SMRPG in fanbase and hype. Because it's the truth. EarthBound has a huge Japanese fanbase. That's why, after it was announced, Mother 3 only fell out of Famitsu's list of Japan's top ten most wanted games once, and showed up again right afterwards. It spent a considerable amount of that time at number 1. 2million+>300K Mother is a game were the hardcore love it, but no one else cares. Famitsu's Most wanted poll isn't that accurate becuase some of the games on there flop while others, like Nintendogs sored, despite not being on the list. Earthbound is liek Killer 7 and Psychonauts. It one of those games a set group loves, but everyone else could care less. Earthbound is the same group. People love it, but sales will tell you it's a small number of people. SMRPG has a much larger fanbase then Earthbound. It's just that Earthbound's is more determend and more loyal then that of SMRPG's or any other game. SMRPG wins on shear size. As far as hype, you can't judge that no matter how you try. One game has a sequel while the other didn't so how can you judge hype. If anything they are the same. If fans of both games have eagerly awaited a sequel, then they are both large in size, and since you really can't put a number on it, they are about the same. Earthbound has a smaller fanbase then that of SMRPG just on sales alone. Also, what happened to dropping the argument. |
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Post by Game Guru on Dec 26, 2007 15:26:03 GMT -5
Alright guys... You guys who want Bowser Jr. give me a move set for Bowser Jr. that...
A) Doesn't rip on Bowser's moves
B) Doesn't rip on Mario's moves.
C) Doesn't do both.
D) Doesn't do both with a tacked on Down Special or Final Smash Transformation.
Face it, guys. Geno is more likely to have original moves, and after all the clones of Melee, that's what the fans of Smash want.
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 26, 2007 15:30:23 GMT -5
You're comparing a Japan-only release to a Japan and America one there. A Japan and America one with Mario's name on it, no less. Hardly fair. Mother is a game were the hardcore love it, but no one else cares. Oh! Like Mario RPG! Now I understand. SMRPG has a much larger fanbase then Earthbound. It's just that Earthbound's is more determend and more loyal then that of SMRPG's or any other game. SMRPG wins on shear size. Funny, 'cause in my entire life, this is the only place I've heard people mention Mario RPG without starting with "What the wizzle is..." or ending with "...was the worst Mario game ever." XD Even Nintendo themselves have completely ignored Mario RPG's existance, and they love referencing old games. Mario RPG has only ever been acknowledged by AlphaDream, and that's just because a lot of them worked on it. I'd be very surprised if it's referenced in SSBB. I'd be very surprised if it was released on the VC, even. It seems that Nintendo want to forget it ever happened. |
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Post by Game Guru on Dec 26, 2007 15:50:19 GMT -5
You're comparing a Japan-only release to a Japan and America one there. A Japan and America one with Mario's name on it, no less. Hardly fair. Earthbound came out in the US, you know. Nintendo seems to forget that also. Funny, 'cause in my entire life, this is the only place I've heard people mention Mario RPG without starting with "What the wizzle is..." or ending with "...was the worst Mario game ever." XD And yet, whenever say Ridley is desired for Brawl, it usually follows with "He's too big" despite Charizard not being the right size compared to Pikachu. And if Krystal is mentioned, you hear guys criticize her for driving the Furry into Starfox and using that as a reason to not have her there. And YET, they all appeared on The Poll. Meanwhile, Goroh, Lyn, and Deoxyz were desired as fighters for Brawl on the Message Boards, and they ended up Pokeball'd! Even Nintendo themselves have completely ignored Mario RPG's existance, and they love referencing old games. Mario RPG has only ever been acknowledged by AlphaDream, and that's just because a lot of them worked on it. I'd be very surprised if it's referenced in SSBB. I'd be very surprised if it was released on the VC, even. It seems that Nintendo want to forget it ever happened. That's because Nintendo doesn't want to deal with Square-Enix, who own the rights to characters from Super Mario RPG for what would at best be cameo appearences. Meanwhile, we've got Nintendo dealing with Konami and Sega in Brawl. Hell, if instead of Geno, we got... say, Black Mage as a fighter in Brawl, Nintendo would probably throw in Super Mario RPG stuff, just because Square-Enix is already helping! |
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 26, 2007 16:17:22 GMT -5
Earthbound came out in the US, you know. Nintendo seems to forget that also. The sales figure he gave wasn't for EarthBound, it was for Mother 3. EarthBound sold a lot more than 300K in Japan alone, but VGChartz doesn't have any sales figures for it's US release. And yet, whenever say Ridley is desired for Brawl, it usually follows with "He's too big" despite Charizard not being the right size compared to Pikachu. And if Krystal is mentioned, you hear guys criticize her for driving the Furry into Starfox and using that as a reason to not have her there. And YET, they all appeared on The Poll. Meanwhile, Goroh, Lyn, and Deoxyz were desired as fighters for Brawl on the Message Boards, and they ended up Pokeball'd! ...Eh? I'm not seeing what this has to do with what I said. |
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Post by TV Eye on Dec 26, 2007 16:56:30 GMT -5
Alright guys... You guys who want Bowser Jr. give me a move set for Bowser Jr. that... A) Doesn't rip on Bowser's moves B) Doesn't rip on Mario's moves. C) Doesn't do both. D) Doesn't do both with a tacked on Down Special or Final Smash Transformation. Face it, guys. Geno is more likely to have original moves, and after all the clones of Melee, that's what the fans of Smash want. Um... All this talk of Bowser Jr. being a clone doesn't make sense to me. So in his defense, I created a moveset... in MSPaint...Duh? |
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Dec 26, 2007 17:07:14 GMT -5
But regardless of all the arguing and where we all stand, can we all just accept that Mario RPG is going to be somewhere in Brawl? It has enough of a significance to the community to be worth representing. I'm sure several people do believe that nonetheless. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Dec 26, 2007 18:18:31 GMT -5
Hell, if instead of Geno, we got... say, Black Mage as a fighter in Brawl, Nintendo would probably throw in Super Mario RPG stuff, just because Square-Enix is already helping! I completely agree with this - if Squeenix are involved, Geno's chances of appearing in some form (maybe even as an assist) rise significantly. But, and this is my main argument, so listen carefully - Of what possible benefit would it be to Squeenix to include a 11 year old, completely forgotten character in this game as their 'main' representative? I mean, I think we can all agree that as a 'Mario' character alone, Geno probably wouldn't make it in, can't we? And as a Squeenix character, do you really think he can make it in over various FF or DQ characters... or, if they wanna go old school, I'm sure they'd rather go Chrono or something. |
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 26, 2007 18:54:41 GMT -5
You're comparing a Japan-only release to a Japan and America one there. A Japan and America one with Mario's name on it, no less. Hardly fair. So, what> 600K? Would it have done THAT much better. Plus, Mother 2 didn't do well here so of course this shows how insignificant it is to the masses. No, lots of people talk about playing SMRPG. As the numbers show, 2million+ people played the game, so about 1million in the US played it (don't have the exact numbers on me). The game has a large fanbase just by shear numbers. People know about it. SMRPG has a much larger fanbase then Earthbound. It's just that Earthbound's is more determend and more loyal then that of SMRPG's or any other game. SMRPG wins on shear size. Kirbychu, you like in the UK. The game wasn't released there. Of course no on there knows about it. It's irrelevant. Flip already explained this. It reqiures rights to get Geno. AlphaDreams went the extram miles but no one else did. Sakurai would probably go the extra mile to please. Part of the problem is we live in different regions, In the US, the game has a lots of fans. You can ask a gamer if they played SMRPG and they'll say yes(or ROMed it). People do remember it and it is always ones favorite Mario RPG. It is loved, but you don't see it because the game never made it out where you live. |
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Post by Flip on Dec 26, 2007 20:34:40 GMT -5
But Geno WOULDN'T be representing Square, Christ no. He'd be a Mario character. They just need to get Square's permission to use him, which is easily done as Superstar Saga showed us. If Square were getting a representative, they would choose something more about their own company--not Mario RPG. And that's something a lot of people seem to miss. Geno isn't third party in the same sense as Sonic or Snake. He's technically a Mario character and would fall under the Mario banner. And, because of that, he really doesn't need any "fanfare" except after he gets unlocked in-game.
Simply put, he's not vying for a third-party slot. He's a Nintendo character, just the same as Dedede or Luigi or whoever else. Sakurai just has to give "rights" to Square-Enix. They did it with Donkey Kong and Rare for years.
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Post by Game Guru on Dec 26, 2007 20:36:07 GMT -5
I completely agree with this - if Squeenix are involved, Geno's chances of appearing in some form (maybe even as an assist) rise significantly. But, and this is my main argument, so listen carefully - Of what possible benefit would it be to Squeenix to include a 11 year old, completely forgotten character in this game as their 'main' representative? I mean, I think we can all agree that as a 'Mario' character alone, Geno probably wouldn't make it in, can't we? And as a Squeenix character, do you really think he can make it in over various FF or DQ characters... or, if they wanna go old school, I'm sure they'd rather go Chrono or something. What benefit is there of Square Enix including anyone but Cloud Strife? I mean I like Cecil, Bartz, and Terra, but seems Square-Enix is just as eager to not use characters from the Final Fantasies before Number 7 except in terms of classes, and on the other end, only Vaan from XII made a major appearence on a Nintendo system... Cloud, Tidus, and Squall have only that Kingdom Hearts Spinoff to cameo in. Speaking of Kingdom Hearts, Sora is owned by Disney, not Square-Enix. On the Enix side of Square-Enix is Dragon Quest which is more likely to have characters that appeared on Nintendo consoles, but the Slime is the most well known from Dragon Quest and it isn't suited for Smash Bros. And anyone else is probably AS obscure as Geno and not as wanted AS Geno, except for Crono, but Square seems to forget HIM also. Oh, and TV Eye's move list lacks a Standard Special and a Final Smash. |
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Post by Flip on Dec 26, 2007 20:50:32 GMT -5
I completely agree with this - if Squeenix are involved, Geno's chances of appearing in some form (maybe even as an assist) rise significantly. But, and this is my main argument, so listen carefully - Of what possible benefit would it be to Squeenix to include a 11 year old, completely forgotten character in this game as their 'main' representative? I mean, I think we can all agree that as a 'Mario' character alone, Geno probably wouldn't make it in, can't we? And as a Squeenix character, do you really think he can make it in over various FF or DQ characters... or, if they wanna go old school, I'm sure they'd rather go Chrono or something. What benefit is there of Square Enix including anyone but Cloud Strife? I mean I like Cecil, Bartz, and Terra, but seems Square-Enix is just as eager to not use characters from the Final Fantasies before Number 7 except in terms of classes, and on the other end, only Vaan from XII made a major appearence on a Nintendo system... Cloud, Tidus, and Squall have only that Kingdom Hearts Spinoff to cameo in. Speaking of Kingdom Hearts, Sora is owned by Disney, not Square-Enix. On the Enix side of Square-Enix is Dragon Quest which is more likely to have characters that appeared on Nintendo consoles, but the Slime is the most well known from Dragon Quest and it isn't suited for Smash Bros. And anyone else is probably AS obscure as Geno and not as wanted AS Geno, except for Crono, but Square seems to forget HIM also. Oh, and TV Eye's move list lacks a Standard Special and a Final Smash. The Chrono series, along with Crono, are pretty much forgotten. So count that out, which sucks major balls because I love CT. Anything Seiken Densetsu related would confuse Western gamers. Same goes for anything Dragon Quest that ISN'T Slime since most of those are Japan-only. Scratch that. (though I think Slime would be cool... >.>) Final Fantasy games pre-VII are largely underplayed in the West, and anything post-VII is a smash hit worldwide. From the guys past FFVII, only reasonable candidates are Squall, Tidus, Cloud, and Vaan. Vaan is the only one to appear in an original, a successful, game. Sora and all original content in Kingdom Hearts belongs to Disney. The only feasible Square-Enix reps, in my mind, would be the generics from the earlier games in the series. Black Mage, White Mage, Chocobo, Moogle, Fighter, etc. And, fantastically enough, they've appeared in world-released Nintendo titles. But would Squeenix fans really want to play as... Chocobo? ( I would >.>). This is getting really off topic, I should add, but I don't think there will be any actual Square reps in the game. Just, if Geno gets added, one who requires their permission to acquire. |
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