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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 1, 2009 12:30:20 GMT -5
That doesn't help either though, because Ganondorf escapes in the Wind Waker timeline, which would be just as harmful to ALttP's backstory. And the whole destroying Hyrule and leaving the Master Sword buried at the bottom of the ocean thing... kinda hurts it a little. Am I seriously not winning anybody with the Fan Theory? I made a diagram!  |
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Post by TV Eye on Apr 1, 2009 13:23:08 GMT -5
Fry, I'm sorry...but your theory sucks. How many timelines you got there, eh?
Also, I'm pretty sure the GBC games happened in different timelines.
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Post by Spud on Apr 1, 2009 15:08:00 GMT -5
But the Diagram is Sexy!  |
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Post by BeamClaws on Apr 1, 2009 15:24:41 GMT -5
Here's a simple little diagram I made for... the OBSERVER'S THEORY!I called it the observer's theory because that was how I made the timeline based soley on observations. Needs sprucing up though.  |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 2, 2009 8:53:23 GMT -5
Fry, I'm sorry...but your theory sucks. How many timelines you got there, eh? Please expand on "theory sucks". "theory sucks" does not make me want to abandon this theory. Because, from what I can see, not one of these timelines can coexist with any other timeline without contradicting major story points. At one point in the past, it seemed possible (with a little fiddling). But now... the split-timeline theory just doesn't work! It worked back in 2000-2001 when the idea was first proposed at Zelda Legends (which, I will add, was proposed by myself and tightened and tidied up by Davogones). I'm not saying there were 5/6 endings to OoT, but that each "Story Arc" exists in its own, self-contained universe, where Ganon tries to return under different circumstances. The only timeline I'm not sure about is the Four Swords timeline. Ganon is revived in FSA, but Minish Cap could potentially come before OoT. But I don't think that's necessary at all. So please, point out holes. I'm being serious about this as a contender for the Zelda timeline. Also, I'm pretty sure the GBC games happened in different timelines. Different timelines to each other? While you can play them in any order, I take the serial numbers AZ7 (Seasons) and AZ8 (Ages) to determine their order in the storyline, followed by the final showdown. Or did you mean on a different timeline to ALttP & LA? I initially had them on their own timeline, but then I remembered that Ganon was dead at the start of the Oracles, and Link had gone off in search of adventure by consulting the Triforce which is now in Hyrule (consistent with the end of ALttP). Also, at the end of Oracles, Link sets sail back home - (consistent with the events of LA). |
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Post by TV Eye on Apr 2, 2009 9:15:16 GMT -5
Alright, I'll elaborate.
If you wanted to say the timeline splits in more than two paths, you'd have to explain the circumstances which would cause it to split.
And when I was talking about the Oracle games, I meant they happened on exactly the same time, but in two different timelines.
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Post by Koopaul on Apr 2, 2009 9:33:26 GMT -5
Well the problem I see with it, is that there is no reason for the timeline to split in 6 ways. The two ways can make sense, because Link went back and forth through time.
However, we don't know what happens after Majora's Mask. Link could return to Hyrule and split the timeline another way.
Which comes to another possibility, how do we know that the timeline doesn't split later later on? Instead of a fan like Fryguy has, we might have a tree.
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Post by BeamClaws on Apr 2, 2009 14:43:03 GMT -5
Fryguy's WAS a tree...
And no, Link did not return to hyrule. Would not make any sense, it wouldn't split the timeline, it would return it to a single line.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 2, 2009 16:19:41 GMT -5
By assuming we need to point out the moment Ocarina splits into each story assumes that the split-timeline theory also does that. But what do we actually know?
Link slays Ganon and the sages seal Ganondorf in the Sacred Realm. Link returns to his childhood. All the stuff about the timeline splitting because of Link going back in time is fan speculation. Eiji Aonuma has simply stated that the timeline splits...
It has been established that Twilight Princess follows OoT, and that TWW follows OoT, and ALttP needs to follow OoT for that to make sense... soooo... I present this theory!
I actually think this theory is a lot more simple than you guys are giving it credit for. Having multiple branches like this simply removes all the need for imagining how the rest tie together. It's just the same story told with different outcomes.
I want to hear why this won't work, rather than why it won't work if you try and tie it into the split-timeline theory.
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Post by BeamClaws on Apr 2, 2009 16:49:53 GMT -5
'Cause Link had a horse in the Oracle games
And the empty branch doesn't make any sense.
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Post by Sqrt2 on Apr 2, 2009 17:49:34 GMT -5
'Cause Link had a horse in the Oracle games Only in the opening cutscene mind you! For the rest of the games, you are horseless (but Ricky kinda makes up for that, so who cares!). I'm afraid to ask this but where do those god-awful CD-i games fit in with the rest of the games *gets shot by everyone else* |
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 2, 2009 20:08:50 GMT -5
They don't. Nintendo officially denies their very existence. |
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Post by BeamClaws on Apr 2, 2009 20:54:24 GMT -5
Also, I don't think Link ever came out of the lands in the Oracle games. They never show him leaving.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Apr 2, 2009 21:31:55 GMT -5
Link slays Ganon and the sages seal Ganondorf in the Sacred Realm. Link returns to his childhood. All the stuff about the timeline splitting because of Link going back in time is fan speculation. Eiji Aonuma has simply stated that the timeline splits... It's fan speculation based on a simple formula: After Ganondorf's defeat in OoT, Link went back in time. That sets up the Wind Waker world, because Link is no longer in existance, so Ganondorf could come back unchallenged because Link's been permanently launched 7 years back, hence the flood. Then, in the Young Link timeline, Majora's Mask begins. In this timeline, after his return from Termina, he'd just be 4 days older than he was when he entered, having started in Hyrule. But OoT automatically precedes everything. My theory works like this: After OoT in the Adult Link timeline, Link vanishes, so the world would be flooded when Ganondorf comes back unchallenged, meaning the Wind Waker. After OoT in the Young Link timeline, Ganondorf was arrested and put on trial. Since WW and TP take place at the same time in seperate timelines, it'd be an easy connection to say that TP takes place some time after MM, as we see the trial and attempted execution of Ganondorf in TP. Everything else is speculation, but you need to have a reason for a timeline split, and the only one I see is the split in OoT. That's why it won't work: There is no reason other than speculation for why the timeline would fray off into a cat-o'-nine-tails in OoT. |
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Post by Koopaul on Apr 3, 2009 9:16:26 GMT -5
No Fryguy's is a fan (shaped like a fan). All the possible timelines branch off from one game. I'm saying, that its possible that OoT just split into two, but then those two timelines would split up into other timelines later on. |
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