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Post by pimpmynintendo on Jul 26, 2009 10:54:23 GMT -5
I always thought the Dark World was in the future, and the Light World was before Gannon took over
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Post by Manspeed on Jul 26, 2009 12:29:02 GMT -5
It's made blatantly obvious that the Dark World is the Golden Land after being drenched in evil. ALttP and OoT aren't mutually exclusive.  |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 27, 2009 3:24:08 GMT -5
Yes, the Golden Land is like a mirror-image of Hyrule, where the Triforce is hidden. What happens in one can affect the other. The gateway to the Golden Land was what Link found in the Temple of Time in OoT. He didn't make it all the way through, but Ganondorf did - and was banished there again at the end of the game (referred to in ALttP as the Imprisoning War). Heaven knows we don't need another alternate timeline  |
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Post by parrothead on Aug 3, 2009 1:32:20 GMT -5
"A Link to the Past" VS. Zeruda no Densetsu Kamigami no Triforce (lit. "The Legend of Zelda: Triforce of the Gods")
Do we have to trust localizations more than original language versions? I think so. In the original Japanese version of Tails' Adventure for the Sega Game Gear, the plot takes place before Tails met Sonic. In the localized version, the game's plot takes place after Sonic 2.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 11, 2009 10:33:04 GMT -5
"A Link to the Past" VS. Zeruda no Densetsu Kamigami no Triforce (lit. "The Legend of Zelda: Triforce of the Gods") Do we have to trust localizations more than original language versions? I think so. In the original Japanese version of Tails' Adventure for the Sega Game Gear, the plot takes place before Tails met Sonic. In the localized version, the game's plot takes place after Sonic 2. The answer is an emphatic "no". First of all, there is information missing here. Who developed Tails' Adventure? In what way does it make more sense for it to be a sequel than a prequel? There's no information there that tells me one is preferable to the other. In the case of ALttP... Also "no". Look at the GBA version - the text was re-translated to iron out many of the problems the original localisation team created. In this particular case, the Japanese is hugely preferable, as the developers intended one thing that was later expanded upon, while the translation team changed things around making the game inconsistent with later games. On this topic, I spent some time over at the Mario Wiki recently, and there are people genuinely arguing that there are "American canon" and "Japanese canon", and where one returning enemy has erroneously been given different names in the US games, genuinely believe that "American canon" dictates that it must be two different enemies. Two "alternate realities" because one chump in America got carried away with naming. It's utter insanity. ----------------------------- And now I've done my research and see it was developed by a Japanese company called Aspect. In that case, the Japanese account should be preferred. Also, the Japanese story is simply less ridiculous. In the Japanese version, before Tails meets Sonic, he lives on Cocoa Island where Chaos Emeralds are said to be hidden. The Battle Kukku Army arrives to find the Chaos Emeralds and the game begins. In the US version, Tails has already met Sonic, but they go their separate ways. Tails finds an island and declares it "Tails Island". Then an army of birds attacks the island. Unless the US version has been declared canon by later games in the series, it is clearly ridiculous. Isn't it a bit out of character for Tails to suddenly start discovering (populated) islands and naming them after himself? If an army of birds attacks the island, why is that any worse than a flying fox appearing and declaring it "his" island? |
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Post by Koopaul on Aug 11, 2009 17:55:23 GMT -5
I'd like to again bring up the events before OoT. I wanted to be sure I was correct, that there was indeed a war that ultimately ended with the Sacred Realm being sealed behind the Temple of Time. Right?
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Post by kirbychu on Aug 11, 2009 18:48:35 GMT -5
Unless the US version has been declared canon by later games in the series, it is clearly ridiculous. Isn't it a bit out of character for Tails to suddenly start discovering (populated) islands and naming them after himself? If an army of birds attacks the island, why is that any worse than a flying fox appearing and declaring it "his" island? But the Japanese story also contradicts the canon, seeing as Tails wasn't brave enough to fight enemies without Sonic by his side until his final boss in Sonic Adventure, when he realised for the first time that he can be a hero all by himself. Tails' Adventure isn't a good example, because neither language version really fits into the series canon. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 18, 2009 21:40:23 GMT -5
Yeah, but characters change. Luigi wasn't always so cowardly. Used to just be a green Mario. Ganondorf went from power-hungry to, well, power-hungry, but the actor they hired for Wind Waker didn't quite get it and wanted to make a Vader of him rather than keep him the Emperor. Obviously he got fired before Twilight Princess.
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Post by kirbychu on Aug 20, 2009 4:19:32 GMT -5
Yeah, but characters change. Luigi wasn't always so cowardly. Used to just be a green Mario. Ganondorf went from power-hungry to, well, power-hungry, but the actor they hired for Wind Waker didn't quite get it and wanted to make a Vader of him rather than keep him the Emperor. Obviously he got fired before Twilight Princess. Tails' character didn't change, Sonic Adventure just came right out and said "This is the first time this character has done anything heroic on his own." Which kind of automatically writes Tails Adventure off as "definitely not a prequel". The problem the Sonic series has is that back in the 90's, Sega would just license out the franchise to anyone who asked without having it go through Sonic Team at all, resulting in a slew of games Sonic Team didn't even know existed. And the ones they did know about they weren't happy about not being involved in, which is why they treated the Sonic Xtreme team with such contempt. Once they got their creative control back, their response was to ignore all the games they had no part in, effectively meaning that pretty much the only canon entries in the series before Adventure were Sonic 1, 2, 3, &K and CD. In effect, most of the early 90's Sonic games are to the Sonic series what the CDi games are to the Zelda series. Nintendo have had a strong hand in the rest of the series, even when Capcom were doing them. Abridged postZelda continuity > Sonic continuity |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 23, 2009 11:24:07 GMT -5
-._.- Sonic's always been pretty damn confusin anyways.
That'd be correct. One idea (one I hold to) is that it's the Civil War the Great Deku Tree refers to when he tells Link how he came to be in the forest. I'm not sure if there's any reality to this, but it comes from things described in LttP (a great Civil War being waged to obtain the Triforce) and OoT (Link being orphaned during a Civil War 10 years prior.)
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 24, 2009 3:34:57 GMT -5
From what I understand, the Sacred Realm was sealed behind the Temple of Time in ancient days by the Sages, designated protectors of the Triforce. The civil war was fought between the various races of Hyrule, who each accused the other races of hiding the Triforce. If Link was orphaned in the civil war, then that means it only happened a decade before the events of Ocarina of Time. Unless you throw a spanner in the works by pointing out that Kokiri Forest keeps the children young forever, so we have no idea how old Link really is... |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 24, 2009 21:29:18 GMT -5
Pretty good theory there, too. I'm not saying anything against you, but I still prefer mine simply because the Kokiri Forest has never been explicitly stated to keep children eternally children, only that the Kokiri themselves are children forever and will die if they leave the forest, and also because alliances had definately been made by OoT, which would be hard to do after the war if it were all the races duking it out. Obviously, alliances would have to have been forged, notably the Hylians, Shiekah (probably generally wiped during the war, hence the relative lack,) Gorons, and Zoras but also likely the Gerudo, hence the King's trust in Ganondorf. The relationships were definately strained, I mean, it was a war and they all had kingdoms with different interests, but there were definately loose alliances to keep an unknown other species from getting hold of the Triforce, so there were probably squirmishes even among Hylians, Shiekah, Gorons, Zoras, and Gerudo, which would explain the necessity of Zelda's Note to climb Death Mountain, the need of Zelda's Lullaby to get to Zora's Domain, and the Gerudo being so territorial (along with their Amazonian theme.)
Now, I'm just spit-balling here, a little something for the heck of it. I have a theory on why you see Kokiri out of the forest after OoT despite that claim that they die if they leave the forest. Some folks claim that "Something will kill them off without the protection of the Deku Tree," but they were all alive after 7 years without him. My thought is that the Hyrulean Civil War was going on for a LONG time (use of the word "Great" in reference to the scale of the war doesn't rule out the fact that it could have been a 5 year war like WW2, but it could also have been decades or even centuries long.) Remember that Link's mom brought him to the forest for protection, implying that the Kokiri weren't involved at all. My theory is that the Deku Tree told the Kokiri they would die if they left BECAUSE OF THE WAR. If the war was brutal enough (and it certainly was,) Kokiri would have been killed front and back if they left. Basically, the Deku Tree had put the Kokiri on Defcon Red.
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Post by Flip on Aug 28, 2009 16:41:54 GMT -5
Wasn't there an implication that the mother "foresaw" Link would have a great destiny? And that's why she hid him? I know there was the scene with the fires and whatnot, but I always pictured it was the Civil War happening centuries before Link's birth. Link appeared in Kokiri Forest because his mother, for whatever reason, couldn't hold on to him/worried about his welfare.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 28, 2009 18:45:23 GMT -5
That was the Deku Tree, not his mother. His mom was just being a good mother, there was no implication (at least that I'm aware of) that she knew he was going to be the Hero of Time.
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