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Post by TV Eye on Jun 5, 2012 15:41:54 GMT -5
This whole E3 was totally underwhelming. But Ubisoft won best in show for sure. And they even got away with boobs! BOOBS!
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Post by Arcadenik on Jun 5, 2012 16:14:56 GMT -5
All those Ubisoft games and no Prince of Persia U game? I am sad.  Though ZombiU seems pretty interesting. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jun 5, 2012 16:21:13 GMT -5
This whole E3 was totally underwhelming. But Ubisoft won best in show for sure. And they even got away with boobs! BOOBS! And like Game of Thrones, the boobs didn't add anything to the show. All we needed to see was Watch Dogs. Their strong game showings were so good, they even made up for the terrible and annoying-as-fuck presenters! |
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Post by kirbychu on Jun 5, 2012 16:44:02 GMT -5
Again... I was pretty happy with Nintendo's showing this year. Ubisoft definitely had the best single offering, but Nintendo had the largest range of stuff I want. Maybe it's because gaming has started to become a smaller part in my life lately (thanks mostly to me studying animation, meaning I have to spend most of my free time... animating). I'm okay with tide-me-overs, because I generally only have time for one huge game a year now, and I already have a backlog of them. I guess I can see why you guys are frustrated, but I'm still waiting for time to give Skyward Sword a proper going-over! I rushed the story when it came out and haven't been back since.
That was a boring post! Anyway. Nintendo Land looks like a lot of fun to me. I really want to play that Luigi minigame. Right now.
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Post by BeamClaws on Jun 5, 2012 19:42:06 GMT -5
The smash brothers and zelda trailers were awesome.
Ha ha, if only.
I, too, agree that Ubisoft was the best. Even Nintendo's was kinda boring. That said, I'm definitely looking forward to the 3DS conference. And New Super Mario Brothers U looks really fun (not sure what's up with 3ds one though).
Pikmin 3 was definitely the best part of Nintendo's show. Probably the game I'm most excited for out of Nintendo, and I haven't even played the second one!
And I feel a little weird about a redesigned Arkham City because I just 100% completed the game (Batman's side at least, no DLC here <_<) two days ago
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Jun 5, 2012 20:59:39 GMT -5
This is hilarious and sad at the same time. I'm reading a live text feed of the roundtable, and each time they mention Zelda or F-Zero, that tricks my mind into believing those are sentences about a Zelda game or an F-Zero game.
But it's Nintendo Land.
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Post by Flint on Jun 5, 2012 22:26:30 GMT -5
Well, I enjoyed the conference, its not the best but its not the worst, still I need new games to look after Paper Mario, Luigis Mansion New SMBu, all I knew way before E3, lets hope for some pleasant surprises on tomorrows conference for the 3DS.
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Post by The Qu on Jun 5, 2012 22:27:36 GMT -5
 Holy shit the Baby Yoshis are so high. It's all like, "Whoa man, what's going on? I was just born and shit. And I've already got shoes! And a shell, or something. Or mebbe it's a saddle. Man, evolution is crazy..." |
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Post by Shadrio on Jun 5, 2012 22:30:27 GMT -5
Outside Nintendo, I found Watch Dogs and The Last of Us really great looking. Ubisoft's Rayman Legends really makes me want to buy Origins ASAP (I have been wanting to buy it lately, but that trailer makes me want it even more).
As for Nintendo's E3, I've heard a lot of "underwhelming", but I think it was just "good". It covered two really important things about the WiiU for me, Pikmin 3 and being able to use 2 WiiU Gamepads. I guess that makes me happy, but not stoked, like how I was in 2010, after they announced Donkey Kong Country Returns.
Oh, well, at least E3 ain't over yet.
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Post by Flint on Jun 5, 2012 22:34:40 GMT -5
From quite some time I had been afraid that Nintendo does not have the resources to produce HD games, and this conference doesnt ease my fears...
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jun 6, 2012 2:04:30 GMT -5
After being told about so many games, I got excited. When they spent ages talking about Nintendo Land, I was expecting them to pull one of these like in 2009:  Instead, when Reggie started winding down I started shouting at the screen. No! No Reggie! Don't you dare end it! The developer roundtable has ended as well, and all that was revealed was that they are working on Wii to Wii U download/save transfers. While nice, this is still functionality that should just be part of the package anyway. It shouldn't be news that Nintendo has finally realised we don't want to lose all our purchases if we get a new system. That's another running theme this E3. Every console manufacturer spent a while (in some cases too long) announcing things that should have been the case anyway. Sony announced the PS1 library on PSP will soon be available on Vita, all announced various media outlets that will stream video, and Nintendo honestly wanted us to be impressed by the fact the Wii U has a browser? I expect certain things of my consoles already. I can already watch Netflix on my Wii and I have been able to watch the BBC iPlayer on it for years. I watch TV on it more than I watch actual TV, and way more than I play games. A games console is now an entertainment hub. If Nintendo announced that the Wii U would be able to play DVD and Blu Ray discs, that would be surprising for Nintendo, but also the kind of functionality that the Wii (and even GCN) should have had if they want to be the centre of the living room. This may be one reason everyone has been bored this E3. We came to get excited about games, and there have been very few of those. The best thing I heard about Nintendo's conference was that traditionally a console manufacturer has defined the parameters of the games that appear on it. Microsoft did Halo and so the Xbox became an FPS hub. Sony did God of War so the PS3 became an action game hub. Nintendo launched with a bunch of minigame collections, and that's what the Wii became. Sadly, it looks as if the same fate may befall the Wii U. We are looking at another generation of ports and shovelware. And when the PS4 and Xbox 720 hit, the Wii U will again fall behind and end up with hack-jobs of bigger games. Nintendo needed to show the Wii U doing something new and surprising, but there were no surprises. Today wasn't supposed to be about strategy for the next holiday season, but for the next console generation. We got a 2D Mario, Pikmin and some minigame collections. They will be fun, sure, but it doesn't instill hope in me that Nintendo has a strategy for the Wii U. |
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Post by kirbychu on Jun 6, 2012 4:05:24 GMT -5
It is also launching with a lot of improved versions of big-name successful multiplatform titles, though. A lot of Wii owners will be able to play Arkham City and Assassin's Creed for the first time, which is a good thing since they blow 90% of the Wii's library away.
They have a pretty good balance of stuff by my count. Casual gamers have Nintendo Land, Game & Wario, Lego City, TANK TANK TANK and Srcibblenauts, extra casual gamers have Wii Fit, Just Dance and SiNG, and then core gamers have by far the most stuff, with Pikmin, Mario, Rayman, Batman, Assassin's Creed, Darksiders, ZombiU, Tekken, Aliens, Ninja Gaiden, Mass Effect and Trine. That doesn't seem like a bad thing to me! Nintendo announced over 21 games to be available before Christmas 2012, and only five were minigame collections or fitness/dancing things. And that's apparently not even the full holiday lineup!
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jun 6, 2012 4:39:07 GMT -5
It is also launching with a lot of improved versions of big-name successful multiplatform titles, though. A lot of Wii owners will be able to play Arkham City and Assassin's Creed for the first time, which is a good thing since they blow 90% of the Wii's library away. They have a pretty good balance of stuff by my count. Casual gamers have Nintendo Land, Game & Wario, Lego City, TANK TANK TANK and Srcibblenauts, extra casual gamers have Wii Fit, Just Dance and SiNG, and then core gamers have by far the most stuff, with Pikmin, Mario, Rayman, Batman, Assassin's Creed, Darksiders, ZombiU, Tekken, Aliens, Ninja Gaiden, Mass Effect and Trine. That doesn't seem like a bad thing to me! Nintendo announced over 21 games to be available before Christmas 2012, and only five were minigame collections or fitness/dancing things. And that's apparently not even the full holiday lineup! This is all great in theory, but the problem as I see it is who exactly are the hardcore ports supposed to appeal to? Lets face it - if you consider yourself one of these 'hardcore' gamers, odds are you don't only own a Wii, you own another console as well, and you can go and play all those ports on that instead. Your major selling points are therefore Pikmin 3, Rayman, ZombiU, and Mario - all of which I'm sure will be damn good games (well I guess we'll see about ZombiU, but otherwise...), but do they sell a console to you? I love a good Mario game, and I think NSMBWii was fantastic so I'm really pumped for the new one, but its not selling me expensive new hardware. ...so what we're left with is 'casual' stuff. And while I'm sure it'll be lots of fun (I still maintain Wii Sports is one of the best multiplayer games ever), they're never going to appeal to the crowd that sit online and obsess over E3. They're necessary titles, but they aren't going to help tide over the hardcore focused audience that Nintendo seemed to want to reach out to again. |
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Post by kirbychu on Jun 6, 2012 4:57:19 GMT -5
I'm definitely pumped for a more immersive Arkham City experience, and I know plenty of people who held off getting it for 360 when they heard about the Wii U version last year. Outside of that and Mass Effect, most of the Wii U versions are coming at the same time as the 360/PS3 versions. I don't know how many of them will have Wii U-exclusive features like Batman does, but if they all do... there's another selling point. There will also be plenty of people out there who do only play Wii for whatever reason, who'll be able to play these games for the first time.
But honestly, for me personally, Mario, Pikmin and Rayman are system-selling games. They're the type of games I play, and almost everyone else at E3 was just trying to sell me gritty FPS games. Blech.
I think the thing that's getting on my nerves is people saying this is the same as the 3DS again. It's not. The 3DS launched with one core game - a stripped down version of Street Fighter 4 - and when it finally got more months later, they were just remakes of popular N64 games. This isn't the same as that. This lineup has more core games than any previous Nintendo launch whichever way you slice it.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jun 6, 2012 5:04:46 GMT -5
This is the problem. Nintendo's markets include Nintendo fanboys, hardcore gamers and the casual market. Nintendo seems to have tried to appeal to them all in one showing and ended up appealing to none.
It's been said many times, but E3 is like Christmas for gamers. It's about expectation and building hype. This isn't a show to unveil your casual properties, but to appeal to the gamers. The opinions of fanboys and hardcore often clash ("same old tired franchises" vs "where's Mario? F-Zero? Star Fox?") but if you appeal to one or both of those sentiments then you can put on a good show.
You can even get away with it if you just top and tail your conference with good stuff. Look at Ubi Soft! Their show was horrible, but they bookended it with some very impressive game footage and everyone forgives or forgets the prats who were chumming it up on stage. They even had some casual titles in the middle. But they appealed to the audience who was watching, and for the first time a non-console-manufacturer may walk away with best of show.
Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony all had the same problem this year. They all started on a high then dribbled down, killing all the excitement and hype until even decent footage was received poorly, just because we had to sit through poorly judged demos and talks about multimedia (or Reggie repeating the things shown at Nintendo Direct, which were shown at Nintendo Direct so Reggie wouldn't have to talk about them...)
If Nintendo genuinely didn't have anything else to show, they should have started with New Super Mario Bros. U, moved onto Nintendo Land and third party games as a sideshow then finished with Pikmin 3. That would have at least paced the show better. It overran by 20 minutes, so there was a lot of scope for cutting the overlong Batman and Nintendo Land demos.
If all else failed, Reggie should have ended on a first party showreel video of in-development titles. Maybe not even naming the games, but just showing that something exclusive is coming for this system, and it might just be worth getting one. I'd settle for a pre-rendered video at this point.
Like I said, it's about building hype. There is so very little hype behind the Wii U right now that its arrival risks making very little impact later this year unless Nintendo wheels out some very big guns before then. Time is ticking.
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Though ZombiU seems pretty interesting.
