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Post by Fryguy64 on Dec 2, 2009 9:07:32 GMT -5
I still think they should make a Zelda game about a Link who is for some reason unable to defeat Ganon and instead resorts to somehow causing time to be frozen and the world to be flooded until someone else who CAN stop Ganon comes along. Sounds suspiciously like the bit between child Link and adult Link in OoT  Except for the time freeze and the flood, etc. It would definitely make for a bittersweet ending to a game if you aren't actually able to destroy Ganon. Of course, that would set up a sequel quite nicely... Set in the FUTURE! |
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 2, 2009 9:11:20 GMT -5
Huh. You're right. That is pretty much what happened in OoT... It wouldn't need to set up a sequel nicely... it'd just set Wind Waker up nicely. And retroactively. |
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Post by Hiker of Games on Dec 2, 2009 10:12:18 GMT -5
TMC > FS/FSA > (Imprisoning War) > ALttP/LA > (Sleeping Zelda stuff) > LoZ/TAoL > Oracles Is there a reason for the sleeping Zelda stuff being there? I always figured that backstory took place sometime before the beginning of the timeline, since it explains why every princess is named Zelda. The assumption is that it ties in with the whole King hiding the Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace bit, which wouldn't work at the beginning of the timeline unless.... |
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 2, 2009 10:38:11 GMT -5
Oh, right. I'd completely forgotten the whole Triforce of Courage thing.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Dec 3, 2009 16:03:00 GMT -5
What if you had a game where you played as Ganondorf? Hah? People like the idea of plundering Hyrule rather than saving it, and it'd be a great segue between OoT and WW.
Plot: You are Ganondorf, coming back from the Dark World. You sneak around and kill the sages to make sure that NOBODY can stop you as you take over Hyrule. After you take out the sages, it starts raining, and the rain gets harder after completing every dungeon until you finally conquer Hyrule, at which point you see a bleak image of Hyrule being flooded to a somber song while the credits roll. Your final boss is the King of Hyrule. He is the father of Prince Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule, the King of Red Lions before he was King. You could further set up Adventure of Link by having the King's granddaughter, Zelda, be sent to the Great Palace with the Triforce of Courage. BAM, the Deluge branch is basically complete.
If this game were to be made.
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Post by TV Eye on Dec 3, 2009 16:07:29 GMT -5
Eh...no. I think a better idea would be if Link somehow swapped bodies with Ganondorf, and so Ganondorf became all evil while in Link's body, and Link had to do good, but with all of Ganondorf's powers.
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 3, 2009 16:12:40 GMT -5
People like the idea of plundering Hyrule rather than saving it I don't... I've become quite attached to Hyrule over the years. Seeing what'd become of it during the 7 years Link was sealed away made me feel bad. And I'm pretty sure that was the intention. |
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Post by Manspeed on Dec 3, 2009 17:32:05 GMT -5
Remember back when the Oracle games were supposed to be remakes of Zelda I and II, Zero Mission-style? And how there were three of them instead of just two?
I'd like to see another Zelda split into three games, and in each one you play as a different Triforce bearer: Link, Zelda and Ganondorf.
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Post by Yamato.EXE V2 on Dec 3, 2009 17:50:38 GMT -5
Remember back when the Oracle games were supposed to be remakes of Zelda I and II, Zero Mission-style? And how there were three of them instead of just two? I'd like to see another Zelda split into three games, and in each one you play as a different Triforce bearer: Link, Zelda and Ganondorf. Yeah, I remember that they supposed to remake the first LOZ/Hyrule Fantasy for GBC. I'm thinking of a solo Sheik game basically. Playing as Zelda would be a good idea because of Super Princess Peach. |
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Post by Hiker of Games on Dec 3, 2009 18:47:00 GMT -5
Eh...no. I think a better idea would be if Link somehow swapped bodies with Ganondorf, and so Ganondorf became all evil while in Link's body, and Link had to do good, but with all of Ganondorf's powers. They could call it The Legend of Zelda: Chrono Cross. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Dec 5, 2009 19:09:31 GMT -5
People like the idea of plundering Hyrule rather than saving it I don't... I've become quite attached to Hyrule over the years. Seeing what'd become of it during the 7 years Link was sealed away made me feel bad. And I'm pretty sure that was the intention. There are two sides to every coin. Ganondorf wouldn't feel that his actions were evil. Remember, you wouldn't be operating in the same feeling that you would if you were Link. What Link saw as Hell might feel like Heaven to Ganondorf. His attack on Hyrule was based on his perspective: That the Hylians had grown weak from their fortune. The Gerudo would see their world as desolate, bleak, and hellish. Ganondorf's actions in this hypothetical game would show it from his eyes, not theirs. Ganondorf might not see his banishment as divine, but rather as demonic in nature. Light, to Ganondorf, would have always been portrayed negatively, because the sun is the primary source of light, and in a desert, the sun is dangerous, even deadly. Darkness is cold, but it isn't as deadly as light. Ganondorf would follow the Golden Goddesses through the Gerudo interpretation. They would be good to him too, but he would see the Hylians as evil in spite of their worship of the same Goddesses. Ganondorf would then be portrayed in a new light: The maligned hero. On the note of Hylian perspective, I've been thinking of a Shiek game, too. I can't imagine 7 years of Hell without SOMEONE running around trying to keep hope. I think of Shiek, I think of John the Baptist, keeping hope for the people and paving the way for the savior's coming. |
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 6, 2009 7:00:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure killing the caretaker of the forest children, feeding innocent people to a dragon and freezing the world's water source are evil whatever your perspective. The rest of the Gerudo spent their lives in the same conditions as Ganondorf, but even they disassociated themselves with him, because of his evil. They don't seem to see Hylians as evil in any way, since they regularly visit Hyrule Castle Town to look for Hylian boyfriends. Plus, doesn't Ganondorf refer to himself as the King of Evil a few times throughout the series? I'm not 100% certain, but I'm fairly sure he did. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Dec 6, 2009 13:33:36 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure killing the caretaker of the forest children, feeding innocent people to a dragon and freezing the world's water source are evil whatever your perspective. We know Ganondorf to be capable of quickly falling into a raging pile of psychosis. Killing the Deku Tree, releasing Volvagia, and freezing Zora's Domain are obvious signs of a criminal mind. But perhaps there is some kind of darker intention? Perhaps he's doing it thinking he's in the right. Historically, the Christian Church has been violent, war-like, and down-right cruel in the name of a man who died for his teachings of peace, love, and charity. What if Ganondorf were like that, a violent man working in the name of what he considers good? The Gerudo don't think of Hylians as evil, but they certainly don't have a high opinion of them (at least the men, since no Hylian women have gone to the Gerudo Desert that we know of.) Ganondorf may take this a step further and thought of them as such. Symptoms of Antisocial Personality Disorder include persistent lying or stealing, superficial charm, an apparent lack of remorse or empathy and inability to care about hurting others, inadequate control of anger and temper, narcissism, recurring difficulties with the law, aggression and violence, a disregard for the safety of others. Ganondorf is a charming thief who can lie so well it sounds like the truth. He is violent and remorseless, killing even his allies simply so that he doesn't have anyone in his way without regret. When he doesn't get his way, he kills to get it. He thinks he's better than everyone and on several occassions expressed a belief in his own invincibility, an often invalid belief. And after he pulls his plots, he gets taken down, only to be brought back. And when he gets brought back to Hyrule? He starts it all over again. In the eyes of the world, he's a sociopath. So, his beliefs wouldn't necessarily have to be the beliefs of the rest of the Gerudo. Even if he is working on their behalf, they wouldn't care, he's not following conduct. But to get into his mind, to see what he sees, feel what he feels, hear what he hears, that would allow us a glimpse into the world through his eyes. Understanding the thought-process required to be Ganondorf would really bring us to Hyrule. Understanding the hero is one thing, but understanding the villain an entirely different situation. Because really, it may not be that Ganondorf is a sociopath. He may be misunderstood. Now he may. Don't get me wrong, he may suffer from ASPD and we can get on with it after the game. But to see the world through darker eyes might, alongside the light, show us the world of Hyrule in its fullest. I don't think so. If he has, though, he might use the title for another purpose than "The greatest evil." All in all, I find the Zelda experience rich and rewarding on several levels. When Link draws the Master Sword, he begins a legend with many beautiful lessons and brain-flexes that can't be found in many other games. Hyrule is a rich world that can almost be considered a parallel Earth created in the minds of men and women who know more than most people, possibly without realizing it. To every action, the characters have a motive, and when you step into Hyrule, you step into a world where the inner turmoils of good and evil become real. The lessons to be learned in Hyrule are relevant on Earth. And that is why a game where you control Ganondorf would be such a powerful addition to the series: Seeing the lasting benefit of good is important, but to see that the benefit of evil is fleeting and ends in destruction is an equally important lesson. On another note, perhaps I read too deep into Hyrulean matters. |
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 6, 2009 15:27:31 GMT -5
...None of that sounds anything like the Zelda games I've been playing all these years.
Suddenly I feel like I'm on a Square Enix forum.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Dec 6, 2009 19:34:28 GMT -5
I call that to question.
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