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Post by TrustTheFungus on Apr 7, 2005 11:43:50 GMT -5
so I had no idea who or what Roy and Marth were until SSBM (and I don't like them that much anyway... are they guys or girls, cos they look like girls... I'm guessing one's a guy and the other a girl, right?). You might want to consider buying some glasses.
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Post by Smashchu on Apr 7, 2005 16:56:59 GMT -5
well herers my Ideas. Heres the Characters-Wario,Pit,Diddy,K.Dedede,Ridler,Olimar,Meta-Knight,Slippy,Torchik,Samuai Gohor,Skull Kid,Paula.Daysi(Maybe) I say keep the clones but dont add a whole bunch(and no alternate costume thing)and no Cel-shaded link or Classic DK.Also Paula and Daysi are clones of Peach and Ness. Maybe Bubble as well. So tell me what you think of my list
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 7, 2005 17:57:32 GMT -5
Daisy? A clone of Ness? I think your ideas are one Smash short of a Brother. Your list also looks suspiciously familiar... OH YEAH! It's exactly what EVERYONE ELSE has EVER said! I say yes to Wario, Pit, Olimar and Bubbles, I say rubbish to everyone else. Filling it up with sub-characters and sidekicks is a bad idea that proves to the uneducated majority that Nintendo's gamepool is too small for an ambitious lineup (which it isn't... there's enough originality in there to give Marvel vs. Capcom a run for its money, but it's not fully used). Diddy Kong would be lame. He's pretty weak... I've always preferred playing as any other Kong to be totally honest - even Dixie in DKC2. Even LANKY Kong is less embarassing. King Dedede could work, but is not really different enough from Kirby. I would love to see more penguins in SSB3, but Dedede would be dull (unless, as I suggested earlier, it was some kind of "Heroes vs Villains" setup). Ridley is a flying lizard who has only ever used two attacks - fireball and tail-whip. I can't see it working... suggested only by people who have never reached Ridley in a game before. Meta-Knight... sure... we need more plain sword fighting characters.... Slippy Toad (see Diddy Kong and multiply it by 10) Torchic is rubbish... it doesn't even have any arms or wings. I'm all for kicking Pichu out and replacing him with another Pokemon, but out of ALL of the available Pokemon you choose Torchic? Dude... why don't we just hope for an SSB Smoochum showdown. Samurai Goroh - I dislike the idea of more F-Zero characters. Captain Falcon's moveset was made up as they went along, and the same would happen again, except, guess what? That's right... more swords! Skull Kid - I can see it now... a special attack where he turns the opponent into a Deku, followed by a taunting pat on his bum, and topped off with a raging cataclysm of fire and moon. Or not. Paula is just about the worst idea of the lot... worse than Diddy and Slippy put together (well, maybe not as bad as Torchic). Daisy is probably going to be in it anyway, but again she would be pointless. A clone of Peach if nothing else.
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Post by Doubutsu80 on Apr 7, 2005 18:10:10 GMT -5
No you're quite right. Think about it... since SSBM: 1. Metroid has more than doubled the number of games in its series (the last one was Super Metroid). 2. A compilation of Mother games was released for GBA. 3. Fire Emblem has resurfaced and been shipped around the world. 4. Ice Climber has been rereleased in the first wave of NES Classics, and is the only one of the "early" NES games to get a US release (no Clu Clu Land, Balloon Fight, etc... even though these were released in Japan). And that's just the main characters... the trophies have done nearly as much! Don't forget, After SSBM, Mother is no longer being released in the US. I do feel sorry for the Europeans who never got Mother or Custom Robo
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Post by Doubutsu80 on Apr 7, 2005 18:26:23 GMT -5
Don't forget about Doshin, After SSBM was released they started shipping it to Europe
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Post by Andronicus on Apr 7, 2005 19:04:30 GMT -5
TrustTheFungus... they look like chicks in their images in SSBM (even on my giant TV screen) - maybe I'm just not used to that Japanese art style... or maybe they look like chicks... Smashchu, we don't need side-kicks, like Fryguy said - they're annoying in their own games - why bring them to SSB? I do, however, want to see a cel-shaded Link, and I definitely want classic DK - I've never liked him since the change heppened (it won't happen, but I want it). Who is Paula? Is it a character from one of the golf games or something? That's like saying, let's bring in the characters from Wario Ware - clearly not a good idea. Nintendo has to be realistic in their approach to this - Smas Bros. is about the lead characters in their respective series - throw in a clone or two (even though they're pointless), give us some series we in the PAL territories have never seen, and you've got yourself a winner! BTW - changeable costumes for the characters would be sweet, instead of different colours - say 4 players all want to play as Mario? OK, one will be Mario, one will find he has raccoon ears and a tail, one will be in a doctor's suit, and the last will be wearing a whie hat and overals (think fire flower...) - it'd be the next step in my mind.. And, it would be cool. Perhaps, instead of Link in different colours, you get Link (realistic), Link (cel-shaded), etc. I could go on, but I won't. I must say, I'm looking forward to the next installment! ;D
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Post by Smashchu on Apr 7, 2005 21:03:55 GMT -5
Yeah Skull Kid is Kinda lame but I needed a Zelda Character(Slippy to but It would be cool to whope him up). But you cant just say that only 3 character should be in the next SSB game. Nintendo added the characters because they say them ass Nintendo icons. Diddy,K. Dedede,Meta-Knight,Ridley,Torchick and Samuai Gohor are Recognizable by Nintendo fans and other gamers as well. Sure they may just seem like stupid side-kicks but they have some popularity and are wanted by many people. Although I would also like lesser known, having their own series characters but by thinking only 4 characters are worthy because their the stars of thier own game then were going top have 100 Skull Kids. Marth was put in because he was wanted by the Japaness SSB fans. And the characters I showed are also wanted. Those characteras have the best chance of getting in.Torchick though because it is a new Pokemon anmd we need one famouse Pokemon. Also Diddy could fight. He would be a quick but weak character. Fight power with speed. I put that list to see if people would like that list. I personally would like to see those characetrs in SSB. I also wouldn't mind if clones were in or not, but they might just end up in it anyway. Well thats my 2 cents, sorry to bore you with long aynalist
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Post by Smashchu on Apr 7, 2005 21:15:12 GMT -5
Smashchu, we don't need side-kicks, like Fryguy said - they're annoying in their own games - why bring them to SSB? Who is Paula? Is it a character from one of the golf games or something? That's like saying, let's bring in the characters from Wario Ware - clearly not a good idea. Nintendo has to be realistic in their approach to this - Smas Bros. is about the lead characters in their respective series - throw in a clone or two (even though they're pointless), give us some series we in the PAL territories have never seen, and you've got yourself a winner! BTW - changeable costumes for the characters would be sweet, instead of different colours - say 4 players all want to play as Mario? OK, one will be Mario, one will find he has raccoon ears and a tail, one will be in a doctor's suit, and the last will be wearing a whie hat and overals (think fire flower...) - it'd be the next step in my mind.. And, it would be cool. Perhaps, instead of Link in different colours, you get Link (realistic), Link (cel-shaded), etc. I could go on, but I won't. I must say, I'm looking forward to the next installment! ;D Hay aren't Luigi and Falco side-kick hmmm anyway the Racoon ear thing might work but I like the traditional color. Also Hal like to stick with just colors. But we are all waiting for the next SSB. One last think ALOT of the Characters have made up moves Peach,C. Falcon,Fox Ice Climbers, DK, most characters have made up moves. OH and sorry for double posting I couldn't quote aging.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 8, 2005 4:00:36 GMT -5
I have long thought that the idea of changeable costumes for all the different players is the next step up from having clones (and more interesting than just having different colour schemes). Some characters may be quite hard to do this for, but I'm sure HAL/Nintendo could think of something.
In this respect, DK could appear in both classic and modern modes, Link as cel-shaded and realistic, Wario in his normal and WarioWare outfits...
Not palming them off as extra characters, but rather as simple costume changes. So many extra possibilities!
Oh, and Pauline is the maiden you have to rescue in the original Donkey Kong (known simply as "Lady" in Japan).
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Post by Andronicus on Apr 8, 2005 5:22:13 GMT -5
Like I said - changeable costumes instead of different colours, and instead of clones. Well, if 2 people in 1 forum have the same idea, then imagine the proportion of SSB fans who have also thought about it... at least 1 of those people has to work for HAL, meaning maybe, just maybe, we'll see something like this in the next installment. ;D Oh, and I know who Pauline is - Smashchu wrote "Paula", and I didn't know the reference. Still, Pauline wouldn't be a good character anyway - she doesn't move...
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Apr 8, 2005 6:00:30 GMT -5
Oh, and I know who Pauline is - Smashchu wrote "Paula", and I didn't know the reference. Still, Pauline wouldn't be a good character anyway - she doesn't move... I am 99.9999% sure Paula is the girl from Earthbound. Go get SSBM - She has a trophy. Besides, whoever it was that suggested it said she could be a clone of Ness (though he/she/it phrased it badly). So make that 100% sure. I think there should be more sidekicks / villians / whatever. I think they could work in a story and have a good hero vs. villian thing going, though that doesn't mean there has to be an even amount of each. I say around 4 (maybe 5) characters from Nintendos big franchises (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, maybe Kirby and maybe Metroid - of these, the Mario and Zelda series would have 1 bad guy, while Kirby and Metroid would have a couple of bad guys and only one good guy. Pokemon has no good guys and bad guys, unless you watch the cartoon, and then I wont listen to you ) and a hero and a villian (and maybe a sidekick) from games like DK, Starfox, Earthbound, etc. Regarding that last list: Wario - good Pit - good Diddy - I've read somewhere (possibly in this forum) about having Diddy and Dixie as partners similar to Ice Climbers. While I'm not a fan of copying the original ideas (thats why I don't like ideas of transforming characters - leave that as a special thing only Zelda / Sheik has), it could work quite well because it would combine parts of the Climbers with Zelda / Sheik. And I know that contradicts the first part of my sentence and the part in brackets. I don't care. K.Dedede - Haven't played much of a Kirby game before, but it would be good to have a bad guy from the Kirby series. Ridley - I think he would cool, if they worked out a fair way to have a winged character. I think he would have some cool moves - aside from fire balls and tail whips, he also slashes and shots other bizarre substances. Plus theres always the creative license used for characters like Zelda. Olimar - good. Give him x number of Pikmin, and have his special attacks either a) Attacks are stronger the more Pikmin you have b) Attacks require a certain number of Pikmin to work Pikmin would be weak and could be thrown around, so Olimar would have to be careful to protect them while still maing sure he doesn't die. Meta-Knight - see Dedede. Slippy - I'd say no, but the possiblity to defeat someone, then taunt them in that annoying voice is quite interesting. Torchic - you must be kidding. If they add a Pokemon, make it Blastoise. Or Charizard (though it could end up like Bowser, which is not good), or Venusaur. Or any of the "cool" ones. I want a Pokemon that looks like it can fight. And on a simialr subject, give up on the stupid Pokeomn wear hats idea and make them actually change colour. Samuai Goroh - hmm... nah Skull Kid - look out, its the generic backround character attack!!11!11! Paula - Maybe. If you can give her some good moves, go for it. Daisy - NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 8, 2005 8:17:42 GMT -5
I consistently mistook Paula for Pauline... Paula as a clone of Ness would make more sense Still, I don't think it's a good idea. Too many clones, not enough real meat. What you need is: the main popular characters, some less well known characters, a handful of obscure characters (ideally, a really big handful) ;D and THEN worry about secondary characters and enemy characters. IMO there were far too many Mario and Pokemon characters in SSBM.
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Post by Smashchu on Apr 8, 2005 14:46:39 GMT -5
I think haveing lesser know characters are good but not alot. I think the popular charcters make it in becuase there wanted by the fan and we really dont want to hear alot of complaining over charcters that are wanted yet dont get in SSB. The exception is is if their just plain dump, no I'm not talking about Diddy I mean like Oni-Link(and I dont think Diddy's dump). Also I'm 99.999999% sure that Hal will continue to use the color thing so coustoms to the extent of what Adronicus was talking about are slim to none. Anyway about the characters,(in my eyes) Slippy could work. He would use the weapons from SFA(assault)but would suck w/ samsh attacks. Also he would be a heavier Medium Weight. Torchick could be replaced w/ Blazican for more popularity but Torchick has appered in more games As for the clones. Keep em'. Their in the game leave them alone. Besides people use the clones and if they just change people would be sad. As for adding more only add them in small amounts(2 maybe 3 for one game).And yes their arwe alot of Mario and Pokemon characters and chances are that they'll just keep showing up as long as there in small amounts.
one last thing I was wondering what people would think about these characters-Jimmy(WarioWare has gained some popularity)Toad(Famouse mario chatracter and he even had his own game)and Bubbles(less appreciated character)Just want some feed back.
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Post by Doubutsu80 on Apr 8, 2005 17:32:01 GMT -5
I consistently mistook Paula for Pauline... Paula as a clone of Ness would make more sense Still, I don't think it's a good idea. Too many clones, not enough real meat. What you need is: the main popular characters, some less well known characters, a handful of obscure characters (ideally, a really big handful) ;D and THEN worry about secondary characters and enemy characters. IMO there were far too many Mario and Pokemon characters in SSBM. There were hardly any Pokemon Characters in SSBM just 4 were made fighters
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Post by Andronicus on Apr 8, 2005 20:51:40 GMT -5
First of all - Fryguy, I couldn't agree more on the Pokemon thing - I (personal opinion here) don't like Pokemon, but there seem to be 4 Pokemon characters in SSBM, and then about 1 million trophies - I didn't want to collect such trophies, as I had more interest in old Nintendo. Keep Pokemon, by all means, but tone it down a notch.
As for Mario - I'm a bit of a Mario-nut, but still, we don't need any more Mario in SSBM - maybe just Wario, and that's it.
Now... Smashchu. The costume thing is not just my idea. In fact, I'll think you'll find Fryguy to have brought it up also. HAL may very well stick to tried and true formulas, but if they want to give us something new, then they should give thought to ideas that look laterally. If the next SSB game is a clone of SSBM, with simply more clone characters, I will be sadly dissapointed.
The game has to take the next step and give us as much "NEW" as SSBM did over SSB on the N64.
And, what did I say about somebody mentioning a Wario Ware character? It just wouldn't work - these characters don't do anything that suggests they know anny moves. There are the definition of peripheral characters, and shouldn't be playable in a fighting game.
And Toad... is just... annoying.
My two cents, again.
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