Super Smash Bros. Retro

[Arcadenik]

Before you jump into conclusions, there are no official announcement of Super Smash Bros. 3!

I was thinking that the third Super Smash Bros. game should be titled Super Smash Bros. Retro. The "Retro" part in the title indicates that all the characters in SSB3 debuted before 1990. Only the characters from 1989 and earlier years get to be in SSB3.

In SSBM, the tagline was: Nintendo's Best in 4-Player Action!

The tagline for SSBR would be: 8-Bit Nintendo Strikes Back!

The SSBR roster would compromise of the following 44 carefully-selected retro Nintendo characters.

The character profiles will consist of the first game they debuted in and the most recent game they appeared in or are most known in that game.

1. Balloon Fighter
Balloon Fight
NES 1986
Animal Crossing
GCN 2002

2. Birdo
Yume Koojoo: Doki Doki Panic
Famicom Disk System 1987
Super Mario Bros. 2
NES 1988
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
GCN 2003

3. Bowser
Super Mario Bros.
NES 1985
Super Mario Sunshine
GCN 2002

4. Bubbles
Clu Clu Land
NES 1985
Animal Crossing
GCN 2002

5. Daisy
Super Mario Land
Game Boy 1989
Mario Power Tennis
GCN 2004

6. Donbe & Hikari
Shin Oni Ga Shima
Famicom Disk System 1987

7. Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong
Arcade 1981
Mario vs. Donkey Kong
GBA 2004

8. Donkey Kong Jr.
Donkey Kong Jr.
Arcade 1982
Mario Tennis
N64 1999

9. Eggplant Wizard
Kid Icarus
NES 1987

10. Fighter Hayabusa
Pro Wrestling
NES 1987

11. Ganon
The Legend of Zelda
NES 1987
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past/Four Swords
GBA 2002

12. Goku
Yuu Yuu Ki
Famicom Disk System 1989

13. Ice Climbers
Ice Climber
NES 1985
Super Smash Bros. Melee
GCN 2001

14. Imajin
Yume Koojoo: Doki Doki Panic
Famicom Disk System 1987

15. King Hippo
Punch-Out!!
Arcade 1984

16. Laughing Dog
Duck Hunt
NES 1985
WarioWare, Inc. Mega Party Game$
GCN 2004

17. Lina
Yume Koojoo: Doki Doki Panic
Famicom Disk System 1987

18. Link
The Legend of Zelda
NES 1987
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
GCN 2003

19. Little Mac
Punch-Out!!
Arcade 1984
EA Sports Fight Night Round 2
GCN 2005

20. Luigi
Mario Bros.
Arcade 1983
Luigi's Mansion
GCN 2001

21. Mach Rider
Mach Rider
NES 1985

22. Mama
Yume Koojoo: Doki Doki Panic
Famicom Disk System 1987

23. Mario
Donkey Kong
Arcade 1981
Super Mario Sunshine
GCN 2002

24. Mouser
Yume Koojoo: Doki Doki Panic
Famicom Disk System 1987
Super Mario Bros. 2
NES 1988
Super Mario Advance
GBA 2001

25. Mr. Game & Watch
Ball
Game & Watch 1980
Super Smash Bros. Melee
GCN 2001

26. Ness
Mother
Famicom 1989
EarthBound
SNES 1995

27. Papa
Yume Koojoo: Doki Doki Panic
Famicom Disk System 1987

28. Peach
Super Mario Bros.
NES 1985
Super Princess Peach
NDS 2005

29. Pit
Kid Icarus
NES 1987
Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters
GB 1991

30. Polar Bear
Ice Climber
NES 1985
Classic NES Series: Ice Climber
GBA 2004

31. Professor Hector
Gyromite
NES 1985

32. Ridley
Metroid
NES 1987
Metroid Prime
GCN 2002

33. Samus
Metroid
NES 1987
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
GCN 2004

34. Sheriff
Sheriff
Arcade 1979

35. Sky Skipper
Sky Skipper
Arcade 1981

36. Stanley
Donkey Kong 3
Arcade 1983

37. Starman
Pro Wrestling
NES 1987

38. Takamaru
Nazo no Murasame Jou
Famicom Disk System 1986

39. Tamagon
Devil World
Famicom 1984

40. Tatanga
Super Mario Land
Game Boy 1989

41. Toad
Super Mario Bros.
NES 1985
Super Mario Advance
GBA 2001

42. Urban Champion
Urban Champion
NES 1986

43. Wart
Yume Koojoo: Doki Doki Panic
Famicom Disk System 1987
Super Mario Bros. 2
NES 1988
Super Mario Advance
GBA 2001

44. Zelda
The Legend of Zelda
NES 1987
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
GBA 2005

Despite the 8-Bit part in the tagline, none of the characters will be blocky and 2-D like in the original games.

The only character who is 2-D is Mr. Game & Watch while everybody get the 3-D graphical update like the Ice Climbers got in SSBM but everybody are 128-Bit!

Don't you see that in SSBM? The retro Nintendo characters originally debuted in 8-Bit and 2-D, but their trophies are 3-D and 128-Bit!

Just imagine those retro characters playable in SSBR in 3-D and 128-Bit just like the Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch did in SSBM!

Did you see Little Mac in EA Sports Fight Night Round 2? He is not 2-D nor 8-Bit anymore. He is now 3-D and 128-Bit!

After SSBR, there would be both retro and modern characters like in SSBM in SSB4 so the Retro sequel would be for one time only in SSB3.

I believe that SSBR will be the ultimate nostalgia for NES gamers while reintroducing the NES stars to today's generation.

[Fryguy64]

Little Mac isn't in Fight Night Round 2... the fighter in FNR2 is the Super Punch-Out!! character from the SNES game, who is an unnamed boxer who looks completely different to Little Mac.

Regardless, I don't entirely agree that restricting the game to pre-1990 characters is a good idea. Everyone loves a bit of retro, but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who would sacrifice Starfox, Yoshi, Kirby, Fire Emblem and so on for a bunch of characters most people have never heard of.

I am in favour, however, of seeing a lot more retro characters in the next SSB installment. What I'd love is a Nintendo DS game, but without the 3D graphics. I want beautifully animated cartoon sprites of each character, scaling in and out of the action as necessary. Not only would that allow for some fantastic stylized graphics, but also for dozens more characters to be introduced to an unknowing public.

My #1 choice is undoubtedly Professor Hector, riding atop ROB the Robot. That would be sublime

[The Almighty Narf]

I'd actualy like to see more recent characters in a SSB game. Melee had almost no playable characters that were created after the SNES other then Shiek who doesn't really count and Roy who could just as easly been any other main character from a Fire Elmblem game. Where's Wario? RAY (Custom Robo)? Doshin(Doshin the Giant)? "Player" (Animal Crossing)? Paper Mario (if Dr. Mario is fair game, so is Paper Mario)? Marian (Mischief Makers..... ok, Nintendo probably doesn't own Mischief Makers, but I don't care)? Or how about some more recent Nintendo creations like Captain Olimar (Pikmin)? Issak (Golden Sun)? Andy (Advance Wars)?

Seriosly.... Why look back when there's so much now?

[Hiker of Games]

^ Pokemon?

[kirbychu]

But wasn't the original Pokémon game released just before the N64? Although Pichu would still be post-SNES in any case...

[The Almighty Narf]

kirbychu said:

But wasn't the original Pokémon game released just before the N64?

..... What's your point?

[Fryguy64]

SSB should be about celebrating Nintendo's past and present... not about celebrating an individual element of any of it. I'd love to see a load of retro characters brought back into the public eye, but I'd love it just as much to see more of the recent characters jump into the fray.

Not that there are many... Nintendo invented several franchises every year back in the NES days, and now they seem to invent one per console generation

Still, at least the handhelds still get a lot of new franchises.

[The Almighty Narf]

Fryguy64 said:

and now they seem to invent one per console generation

Well, it at least looks like they're going to be gettinga lot better about that. We shuld be seeing around 6 new potential franchises start up this year alone.

[Hiker of Games]

Well, they've already been inventing new franchises (Wario Ware, Donkey Konga), just not inventing new characters for them. Nintendo seems more reluctant to introduce a new cast of characters than they used to be.

[The Almighty Narf]

Masamune said:

Nintendo seems more reluctant to introduce a new cast of characters than they used to be.

Well... up until around last E3, at least. Another Code, Chibi Robo, Jam With The Band, Legend of Golfer, Odama, Polarium, and Stage Debut are all set to come out in the next year. My love for Iwata continues to grow. ;D

3rd party publishers, on the other hand, seem more then happy to use Nintendo's old character as much as possible.

(edit)
And I guess we can add Nintendo Pennant Chase Baseball to that list as well. Might need to come up with a diffrent icon for Ken Griffey Jr., Fryguy.

[kirbychu]

The said:

..... What's your point?

...Uh, you said that there weren't many SSBM characters created after the SNES and then Masamune metioned Pokémon... so I was pointing out that Pokémon was made during the SNES era. So it doesn't count. Except Pichu.

[Fryguy64]

It came out in 1996... same year as the N64... so I think it's safe to say that the SNES era was almost over when the monsters arrived.

[The Almighty Narf]

Meh... they're still ignoring their new franchises in the SSB games.

[Smashchu]

I think the game "Another" is made by nintendo
Any way, as a Die hard SSB fan as well as a Nintendo fan I would hate to see any characetrs taken out. Also 44 charcters befor 1990 seems kinda lame. If you ask me the next SSB should have Famouse Nintendo Icons like Diddy Kong, Wario, K. Dedede Ridley, Olimar, Slippy meta-night and so on. I think Nintendo will make the right Desicion when they choose there characters.

(Man I hope we see the next SSB at E3 this Year)

[Fryguy64]

Another Code (as it's now called) is published by Nintendo, but developed by a company called Cing.

And it's not entirely true that a Nintendo fan would hate to see any characters taken out. I'd like to see Dr. Mario and either Link or Young Link taken out because they're unnecessary. Luigi is a clone of Mario already, so why not do that, and bring Wario in. We don't need two Links, so why not drop one and replace him with... I dunno... Takamaru or something?

And then add Sukapon and ROB the Robot! And then... (until the end of time)...